It's £30.96 for me. Which, being a University student, is 2 - 3 weeks of food. This game was a self-gift to myself from a job I had over summer, the 25% is a lot to me. It's also the whole fairness aspect, which this kind of isn't. EDIT: I'd like to address this directly to, lets say Miguel, will the founders who purchased before this sale period receive something? If you say yes, that's fine and I have faith that whatever "something" is will be perfectly acceptable If not, I'll be going through the refund And as a reminder to myself (I'm forgetful) PM someone if there's no reply by tonight.
Not sure if trolling or being a complete Snop. I was being sarcastic, incase you didn't sence it. Besides Founders are supposed to help fund the game aswell. I don't know about you, but I'm not founding because I want Early Access fast. It's to show support aswell, they just throw some things your way for doing it. Were you expecting No sale at all? Just because you're a "Old one and the first ones" or whatever you like to call yourself, doesen't mean you should be worried for other people not having the money or some other issue to blow off money for a Captain pack straight away. Besides I see some people think it's a Shady business move, but in the end it helps the game alot. Alot more founding and now that they've put a Sale on it, even more money stream in. How can you feel Punished for helping the game early. To make the game better. The more founders, the more options in-game. And Miguel just said "Inline of Be Transparent, we have started the PROMO only a few hours ago and our sales are up by 400% versus this week average.... Me HAPPY!!!" Is that not a good thing? The only bad mistake I see is the Copper weapons not being halted. You guys should've gotten those and that will stop after December. Proplem solved, if there's a sale in the future, they won't get it. He also said Old founders will get some more. What I'm saying is, I don't see why this sale should be put down. I still think sales are positive and there should be more. Just look at Miguels stats. I hope you put more thought into others then yourself next time.
Well, you chose to support earlier, with alot which was fine to you. So if the price was fine to you, isn't it justified? I just fail to see how a Sale is bad. A sale is something that comes up for like Christmas. It's not cheating people or anything, it just makes more money and might attract more players. I had set my mind for that there would be a sale at some point, christmas being a big oppertunity. If you were willing to give x amount of money without sale, isn't it fine? And Yeah. Sorry about that, just got abit offended.
Sale > Free. And I'm sorry for appearantly being a "Newbie" who says you became a founder 2 Weeks ago and had you waited, you'd get it for free. I'm not going to comment on that... That's just silly. If the game went on sale long after you've founded and it made more people enter the frey and become a founder and Ultimately made more money, then without the sale. Is it not success? And since you became a founder early you got: Titles to show off with, Reservation of Character names, Supposedly spot in Early Access, Founders Lounges for a longer period then others and a Reserved guild name. How can that not be good? And because Miguel said he saw what you meant, it doesen't mean I should just drop it. I'm trying to understand your logic, by debating. It's a forum.
It's quotes like that man. And you didn't get to play the Alpha yet, that's true. But if I got myself a Captain pack now, I wouldn't even make it into the First come, first serve Alpha. Besides you got alot of stuff besides the Alpha from buying early, as I just said "And since you became a founder early you got: Titles to show off with, Reservation of Character names, Supposedly spot in Early Access, Founders Lounges for a longer period then others, chance to get your questions answered first in Live stream and a Reserved guild name." And I didn't say I don't see your proplem, I see what you mean, but I still see it as a success. You payed the standard price of 20$ and a Christmas sale was bound to come so even more people would get it. Still, you will be the "First come, first serve" and they will not. You could've gotten your questions answered first in twitch, they could not. You could reserve character names, they could not. You could access founders lounge, they could not. I cannot comprehend how you cannot see it as a success. It's just Simple stats and Simple info.
As much as I usually disagree with Sergoros, he is right. A sale for a game is usually after the release. You pay full price on release and play it sooner, the sale comes out when the game isn't so new anymore. People pay less than you, but you have had the benefit of playing the game. In this scenario, any founders higher than warrior haven't had ANY benefits compared to anyone who upgrades past warrior during this sale. It's not a matter of "oh the sale is a bad thing", it's a matter of John can get the EXACT same thing as me, with no negatives to him/positives to me for LESS money. Because I backed earlier, I lose out on £30.98. Why? No one is saying the sale is a bad thing, it's a great thing. But the older founders need to be considered. A founder sale at the very beginning of the founder program would have made sense. This isn't about elitism for being older founders or anything like that, it's about (in my case) why am I £30.98 worse off than someone who buys it now? Why is that FAIR? Furthermore, no one wants the sale discontinued, we just want SOMETHING to justify the loss. RTP worth the 25% difference perhaps (which is unlikely because that would be, for me, 60,000ish RTP points). Special cosmetics are the way to go I think (and no, the copper plated knife and gun aren't worth £30.98!). The reward would have to be per backer tier ofc. So those who are Dawn of Imperium (loss of £30.98) would receive more than those who upgraded to Captain and Sergeant, as they've taken a bigger "loss". A good analogy I used to explain this to my girlfriend; There's a bake sale next week and they're taking order to know what to cook, you buy a cookie in advance for £1. The next day you see there's a sale (the bake sale is still 6 days away) where cookies are only 75p if you order them. Why have you lost 25p for ordering a day earlier? It makes no sense. You haven't got to eat the cookie beforehand. Maybe the bakesale people will realise this and give the people who paid before extra chocolate chips in their cookie, to make up for it?
None of the advantages you listed are worth £30.98. Character names (unless you really want to be from a novel) are a dime a dozen. There's name generators for each Chapter (and Ork and Eldar equivalents). Access to the Founders lounge doesn't add anything. You aren't privy to extra information in there, there's no real benefit other than talking with other founders. A supposed spot in alpha early access, that's for 50 people iirc. It's highly unlikely. I'll get in, for example. But these people will still get in the waves (dependent on which pack they have) for module access. Again, this isn't about the sale being a success or not. It's about it being unfair to those who gave money sooner. People who buy now get the same benefits as people who have already backed, for less money and no negatives. Do you see where I'm coming from? Fortunatly I purchased a warrior pack then upgraded, so if there's no extra fancy stuff for pre-december sale founders, I'll just refund my upgrade packs and buy them at 25% off. I'll keep my copper knife and gun (cos the warrior pack I'll still have) and I'll keep my characters name etc etc. I won't have lost anything, just gained £30.98. EDIT: Just to clarify, NOTHING will have changed gamewise for me if I refund and rebuy the upgrade packs. Absolutely nothing, I will just be £30.98 better off. That's it. Nothing else will change.
That's a good point! the sales are on upgrade packs, ie you're ALREADY a founder because you've purchased a warrior pack. So accessing the founders lounge and all the other things you mentioned, they aren't applicable.
