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Re: Chainsword Animations

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pouncey, Oct 18, 2016.

  1. What makes you think that chain-swords functioning differently in a video game from how they would perform in real life is an actual issue worth bringing up?
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  3. Mongobeef Mongobeef Subordinate

    "I apparently know better than the people who actually created the thing in world." Disregarding the blatant arrogance with your statement (Something I'm find a theme of. First Meltas and now Chainswords. Do you even read what you write sometimes?) you seem to repeatedly disregard any version of how weapons are used or represented by accusing them of being "completely wrong". Except that this isn't your universe and while you can say that you disagree with how it is represented. It cannot be "wrong". Because in that universe, that is what is "right" and as an outsider to said universe you cannot throw out how things function just because you don't agree with it.

    Don't like it? Go make a book about it in your own universe.

    You realize we have superhumans capable of taking in close quarters combat with a "knife" (I mean really a space marine knife is a short sword for most people) creatures that are able to shrug off bolter rounds...or as you can call their current tech equal: gyrojet rounds. So by models and actual depictions of chainswords that have been around. Many don't function like a chainsaw. they just have a chain with teeth. They fucking vibrate back and forth really fucking fast. Gives a visual illusion that they actual rotate (Though some do have that feature they aren't the norm). Even look at the reference they used to base the look on. There isn't a place in that guard for those teeth to go anywhere. They just made the closet representative that they could with our available tech. Beside the fact that again. Either by design (Guard chainswords are

    And? without a guard yeah it can be dangerous to the user. That is why more fancy chainswords have them. Do you know what is the real threat? The thing that you'd need to use a chainsword against most times. Teeth facing you isn't much of a concern when an Ork Nob is bearing down on you cause if you can't beat the ork it doesn't matter if the weapon is a danger to you. Hell we use plasma cannons don't we? And they have a known risk of detonating and brutally burning or exploding the user.

    It is almost like you don't even read lore or descriptions before talking. Space marine chainswords are different from IG chainswords. In fact there are at least a half dozen main variants of chain weapons. And there are multiple instances in books of chainswords being turned It has been speculated that Imperial chainswords are modeled after Eldar's as they may be the oldest representatives of users of such weapons. Look at the eldar chainsword. It is thin, slender, zero place for the teeth to go and rotate. One answer is a high frequency vibration or in simpler terms, it goes back and forth really fast. Imperial blades are garish, brutal and above all, functional. A thing that is represented in pretty much everything in the Imperium. Yes some things are beautiful but in general mankind is in the job of surviving in a universe that is trying enslave, kill, convent or eat them; and that kind of thing means you but brutal effectiveness over looks in almost all cases.

    What universe do you come from that you magically know more than the entirety of Black Library and all existing depictions of a technology that btw WE DON'T HAVE. Man at arms made a chainsaw that looks like a chainsword. It does not function the same. The tech is WAY simpler than what a chainsword is.

    This is a universe that has weapons powered by the gore they create (Gorechild) and that if you kill the user of a certain sword that you will turn into them eventually if you take ANY satisfaction from the killing and btw he's kinda ridiculously hard to kill.

    You are being silly. Stop that
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  4. Nefastus Nefastus Active Member

    Great piece of information! Thanks for sharing with us
  5. Nefastus Nefastus Active Member

    This answer was kinda harsh but you brought some interesting points, this explains why there is little room for the chain to go to if it was just spinning.
  6. Nefastus Nefastus Active Member

    I bet it was a funny forum threat. Do you have a link? Not trying to be sarcastic its just I bet you guys got some really crazy discussion going there!
  7. Hunter Tarrus TARINunit9 Well-Known Member

    Ah, another @Pouncey post, asking 40k mythos to use harder sci-fi

    The first thing you missed about the Man At Arms video is they're restricted to IRL chainsaw motors. IRL chainsaw motors are BIG and HEAVY, restricted to large bulky coils and inneficient batteries of the 20th century (or worse, gasoline). Much bigger and heavier than Imperial Guard issue chainswords, which use PROVABLY smaller motors. The weapon dubbed Invictus was a lot closer to a ministorum-issue eviscerator pattern, a two-handed chainsword, than an IG or SM pattern one-handed chainsword

    The second thing you missed about about the Man At Arms video is, they're restricted to heavy steel. 40k forge worlds can produce lighter alloys -- the source I found said "adamant-carbon alloy", implying 40k's favorite handwave, adamantine.

    As such...

    The reason they had to rest Invictus down was not because chainswords aren't slashing weapons. The reason they had to rest Invictus down was because Invictus weighs two-hundred fucking pounds with 90% of the weight in or above the hilt. They could barely even lift the damn thing

    As such I can only draw one conclusion: chainswords literally would not function in real life as viable weapons. The weapon is purely an invention of fantasy, their application more so.

    Anything a soldier wanted to kill with a strictly realistic chainsword (SRC) he could kill much easier with a normal, non-power sword. The SRC is virtually unusable, slower and heavier and less damaging than just stabbing his opponent with a tempered blade, or even a bayonet. The SRC has limited fuel, even with the advantage of 40's better batteries; a knife can't run out of juice. The SRC is balanced HORRIBLY, to an extent that can only be described as "catatrophic"; every single point of weight on the weapon is working against the user (you can see this when Man At Arms try to use it). The SRC has ONE advantage: intimidation, and that's not a reliable advantage

    So if the chainsword is so far removed from actual combat that they are actively detrimental to the user, we have established (for the 40,000th time) that the setting's sci-fi is butter soft.

    At this point, the viewer has two options:
    1) Stop watching and go back to Mass Effect
    2) Roll with it and look at the silly weapon designs, figuring that the impossible application of "chainsaw as a slashing weapon" is no more impossible than "weaponised chainsaw in the shape of a sword" in the first place
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  8. Totgeboren Recruit

    Funny post by the OP, but pretty fail in that it totally fails to grasp the point of the chainsword.

    It looks cool.

    That's it.

    The rest is space magic.
  9. Achrdili Achrdili Prefectus

    it could still involve "slashing" bug a slower one. with more direct contact.
  10. Nefastus Nefastus Active Member

    Have to say this made me laugh loud :D
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