as far as I see their is no reason too bring a chain weapon unless you really cannot afford it for some reason. Pretty much chain weapons are total garbage compared too power weapons and the only thing chain weapons have is that they cost less. This is not right I feel that all weapons should have some thing they are good at and not just something be way better because it's a power weapon. What they could do is make their over all damage a lot better but reduce their penetration making them way stronger at taking out people without a lot of toughness. What they could do is either slow power weapons down or make the chain weapons faster. Leave your thoughts below so I may read what you guys think!
Power maul, axe and fist are too cheap for their effectivenes/superiority in weapon tier/obliteration of everyone because knives don't work against them. That is all-their power is alright, their cost is too low. Exactly the same issue with plasmagun vs stormblter with plasmagun being way too cheap for what it does. And then, we have 580LP tempest launcher that is vastly inferior to cheaper plasma cannon. Lots of LP cost balancing is left to be done. From power weapons, only power sword is in good place of cost vs power.
Yeah, this issue has been extremely annoying recently. It's not so much the damage and penetration value as the "clang" hierarchy. We currently have a system, where you win if you bring the more expensive weapon to the fight. Bring a cheaper weapon and you can fuck right off. This just isn't right, there needs to be a noticeable downside to choosing a power over a chain weapon besides the price difference.
I felt that same way at first as well. But, they do have some speed advantage already. If combine that speed with the speed of an assault they are very effective. Just, don't be going for long head to head duels with powered weapons. Also, the extra points gives you the ability to better outfit the trooper.
The effect of tanky wargear is much much less noticeable than the effect of having a superior weapon. Currently you do better if you buy an expensive weapon than if you buy tanky wargear, it's a better use of the points.
that "speed difference" is not really noticeable at all, the power weapons swing pretty much just as fast.
I agree that the difference in LOP cost needs to be more stretched. I don't think it needs to be by much, mind you, but it's still pretty crazy how easily you can beat someone with a power fist if they have -anything- lower than another power fist. All melee weapons are scary (I kill people plenty with just the basic knife) but I feel like for the level of power you get from the fist/maul you should have to pay just a little bit more. 400 points is a LOT of points, maybe the fist/maul should be 450? I feel like 500 is getting to be too much.
Personal experience has been different I guess. On space marine I roll with the chain sword and works great! I'll post a picture of my loadout. https://i.imgsafe.org/47a52c4e75.png
It literally makes no difference for orkz for example, shoota knuckle or slugga electrified choppa, both swing the same. I don't really see anything wrong from upping fist to 500-550, 450-500 for maul and axe isn't a stretch either, remember that you're getting weapons that destroy vehicles, ignore toughness, prevent ranged classed from defending themselves with knives and give you an edge against all sword weapons. They are well worth huge cost, you won't beat anyone by outlasting them, you will always beat everyone by rendering their weapon useless, which fist, axe and maul do. I also do kill a lot with knife(kind of mandatory skill requirement if you play as much fire dragon as I do), but its depressing to know you can't even approach someone just because he got power maul or power axe, these weapons hardcounter way too many classes and weapons without giving you a fighting chance that equipping them should be commitment and you shouldn't really have much points left for anything else. Basically, power fist and plasma pistol should prevent you from equipping anything else except some 50-100LP option.
