I think the biggest difference right now is between Eldar and Orks. This pairing has always been interesting because it's generally been who can take more punishment vs who has more DPS. I.e Unstoppable Force meets the Immovable Object. Shoota Outclasses the DA atm and that's kinda a bummer. Melee is still decent for both though both took a hit and the Banshee is pretty difficult now. Eldar Tanks still win. Hawks lose, ork bullets REALLY hurt them. Volume towards the sky is really effective AA. JPAs tied to melee really so it's kinda 50/50. Reapers vs Lootas : Shuriken is devestating under the right circumstances. RL starswarm got nerfed for just as an inexplicable reason as the skip launcher. Verdict: Eldar have to really pull off hit and run well against the Orks because they really can't deal with the wall of Dakka pointed back at them. Which really stresses the combination and organization if the team. Not sure PuG vs PuG experiences since Orks v Eldar matches are fairly rare but GvG it shows. If the Eldar can't get a viable play going on their end it's a difficult road usually leading to high casualty rates on both sides, one of which can take it. If they can then the Orks get beaten with a very shiney and unmerciful stick. There really isn't much middle ground.
My experience..... SG - Skilled gamer UG - Unskilled gamer SGSM.T - Skilled gamer space marine tactical loadout > , < - greater/less than +1 enemy SGSM.T >>> UGO.Sh SGO.Sh >> UGSM.T UGO.Sh = UGSM.T Hope that makes sense, but basically suggests SM is better if the gamer is skilled. It just feels odd for Orks to be so much closer in balance, use to getting the shit stick.
My main issue against orks is not letting them get close to you, because at that point they tank and stomp you. The largest issue with that is... level design. It's near impossible to get a decent firing line, and when you do they have plenty of around corner ohk weapons.
Cover that for the most part, we're too broad to hide behind, corridors that can't fit two orks abreast but can take three SM/Eldar. And a head so big you may as well just paint a bullseye on it. (A Groxeye?) My latancy's been rather low lately, given that most of the games I'm in take place in the states, yet still die in cover from getting shot by someone on the other side of it. Finally, there's this little thing that other factions can do with doorways when they can shoot in and present no envelope for the Ork to shoot back. You just see nothing but bolt rounds hitting your in the face. So you die and your like. "Wow. I wish i wuz skinny enuff ta sumhow do dat! I'd expect dis sorta trickery from da Eldar but yer supposed ta be 'ard Space Marines! Come roun' da corner ta fight me posh 'uumie ta Ork!"
I suspect this is very unlikely to be seen as a good idea for the Eldar out there. But, Would it be possible for Gobs to further reduce headshot damage on the lower part of the head? The bit the Gob actually covers. Because that feels to me where bolters tend to drift if your aming for an ork torso center-line. Yet Eldar should be still able to get the top part of the head. (Or the back of the head.)
lol I'm starting to just leave queues when it's vs Orks when I'm not playing Orks. May as well be firing feathers at them.
Played both against and as orks with all factions in pug style and while skill levels may have had big play, the winrate for them was about 90% in my games post 1.3. I also personally did better as an ork both melee and ranged then any other faction so it would appear they are a bit overtuned atm. And that was mostly before the big shoota buff.
we'z not orkz we'z green tau afta dis 1.3 patch also you SM gitz get dem skull fingies, USE DEM! as much as i hate makin more of you use dat accursed fing it gives anyone wifin range i fin 30% addition damage to woteva gotz dat big red target on'em!
Nobz? The ork players are nobz in this game? Did you tell that to the devs? And how nobs are tougher than this pickels they are using in the game? Oh wait....you didn't. Oh i can do what you did there so here goes. YOU puny humiez, ye not a spinach murnies in this game. Ye all TERMINATORS! Now if you got any constructive criticism to post here we would appreciate it. If you are only here for salt.....well at least you have "healthy" diet. Want some lemon and vinegar in that case?
