That doesnt make all or the majority of the counsil and the legion like him!He and his khornate warband were the exceptions!The rest of the WBs that were faithful to UD are the way the legion should be repesented!

I'm not saying it's commonplace, or widely accepted, i'm saying in a setting as vast as Warhammer it's a thing that can happen whether you like it or not, those people might still identify as Word Bearers, or Night Lords, or Emperors Children, or whatever and you are free to say they are not, but it's equally fair to say that they are not but according to their own personal beliefs they are.

Chaos is not something entirely set in stone, it fluctuates...for everyone...and shifts as need be.

Are they? over ten thousand years, do you think those guys haven't made their own exceptions? or done similar things? Maybe they have, maybe they haven't, we don't know because none of them have books on their personal life stories in the warp.

It all started with;

Now, what can we conclude.
Yes, there's some Astartes in Alpha Legion and in the Night Lords that does it.
No, that doesn't mean everyone in that legion does it or that it's common there.
Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.
Night Lords has done it. Alpha Legion has done it.

It's strayed so far Off-topic guys, come on..
I think, the roleplay-aspect of EC is insufficient for CSMs.

There's literally nothing more to discuss, which is valid here now.

So if an Astarte appeared in let's say medieval times of Earth would we not see them as a Demi-God or a God since they're able to live longer than anyone else, weapons that hit them would only scratch them and then they'd be the greatest warrior to have ever walked.

So to the Mortals of Earth at that time the Astarte would do things beyond all other mortals therefore they have God-Like powers. Now the Astarte might even bestow wisdom and knowledge upon those who the Astarte happened to trust and many Gods in human history are the God of Wisdom, War and Hunting.

Also this isn't a case of saying the Chaos "Gods" don't exist it is a case of seeing them as just entities who're powerful, incredibly so but not Gods. The Emperor isn't a God but he has powers that are incredibly powerful.

Magnus had incredible powers so is he too now a God because of this?

Usually if a Human cannot comprehend someone or something's power they must be God-Like or a God or they dismiss them as just someone or something with power. Even today if we took back our technology we could possibly convince people of the past that we are God-Like Humans.

Why do you think people even began worshipping creatures like Snakes? Snakes had venom which people couldn't see then caused people to die and were seen as incredibly resistant by shedding their skin which to Humans who can't kill people with venom or shed their skin saw them as incredibly powerful creatures. Shit like that which because when people can't understand it try to make up some explanation for it be it a religious or scientific reason Humans will always seek to understand the how and why.

Can't remember where but I'm sure that in Talon of Horus, Khayon laughs to himself that some Astartes see the Chaos Gods as Gods... Not sure if that is Khayon's thoughts or if it is Thousand Son belief that the Chaos Gods are just powerful entities.

Indeed he does, fairly early on in the book.

Khayon's view of the warp, which admittedly is bolstered by being a sorceror, is that its the collected hopes, dreams, fears and nightmares of all of mankind. And that the greatest entities which emerge from it are so powerful that humanity feels the need to name them, and call them Gods. He makes it clear that he doesn't view them in that way, although he does recognise the power they wield could be perceived as godlike.

This is not an entirely unusual view - the Sons of Horus and Night Lords both tended to view the Dark Gods as powerful allies worthy of respect and support, but not necessarily worship. However, their legions still contained others who felt differently. It's not entirely clear whether the Thousand Sons have a common view within the legion as to what the Dark Gods are and whether they should be worshipped or not, but relatively few seem worried that Ahriman saved them from the flesh change - they might not be entirely happy with the outcome of the Rubric, but they were almost all involved in it willingly at the time, and few have shied away from making use of the sorcerous gifts that Tzeentch has bestowed on them.

My assumption would be that its Khayon's personal view, but it may not be a million miles away from the views of the Sons of Ahriman and/or the other living Thousand Sons sorcerors. What the rubric marines think is anyone's damn guess, since no-one knows any way of finding out.

It's not only whether the Gods of Chaos ore gods because they are powerful. The question is whether you can regard them as entities in the first place.

- They consist of emotions, but those emotions are not their own: They are the emotions of the inhabitants of the Materium.
- They don't think as we define thinking: They don't go from one thought to the next, from a problem to a solution. There is no defined flow of time in the Warp, no fixed sequence of past-present-future.

We don't even know if our definitions of conscience and intelligence work for the Gods of Chaos.

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Back to topic please.

First off I'm gonna apologise for arguing its really not my thing and I'm quite ashamed I allowed myself to sink so low. So now I'm going to let the thread get back on topic seeing as the guy I'm arguing with seems to be the only one who can't see what I'm talking. The only reason I started arguing in the first place was because he said it was impossible in the real world yes at the moment some things are indeed impossible but in the 40k universe pretty much anything you can think of is possible. Also to the guy I was arguing with there is absolutely no need to start insulting people over a silly argument about the religious beliefs of a superhuman race of soldiers, I get you were frustrated because someone pointed out the fact that the God is a subjective term but there's really no need to insult someone's intelligence. I hope to see you around the forums being a bit nicer when delivering your opinions. In all honesty I really don't mind you insulting ME there's nothing you can say to me that I haven't said to myself already but if I see you going around insulting other people because of another silly argument I will come down on you harder than a carnifex made of solid steel. Now everyone else have a great day and I hope to see you around the forum. Sorry for stealing your thread it won't happen again

the chaos gods are refered to in the horus heresy books ,as not actualy gods just extremly powerful xenos creatures from another dimension. but for all intensive purposes they might aswell be gods .