Balance is kind of a joke but not necessarily because a single faction or even two factions are OP or UP. There are multiple things throughout the entire game and the system that stymies the asymmetrical balance the devs are 'attempting' to produce.

1. Melee vs Ranged overall viability - Melee isn't flat dead/broken but it isn't in a decent spot either
2. TTK - It's just plain low. You either die instantaneously or within 1-2 seconds. Change of loadouts barely mitigates this if at all.
3. Iframes - Part of the anti-melee equation, godsend for gunners and Eldar when a melee weapon can pass through you without dealing any damage, impact or hitstun.

It's a sarcastic post right?

Surely no one can possibly be THAT misinformed.

So according to your own attempt at a totally biased poll LSM with an overwhelming majority of the vote is still considered the OP faction.

You just played yourself.

For playing each races, I will not deny there is some points the races are unbalanced, but most would be solved by solving problems that are inherent to the game itself. I think outside of the melee system who is completly broken, each races got a strong point that make them capable to go head to toe with the other races.

Also, Eldars lawmower like you call them can be easily avoided if you simply play with the battlefield. Not only are eldars vehicules incredibly squishy, but in the end they are still stuck to the same roads as the trukks and rhino. The moment you enter a road, litteraly watch each side before crossing and you should be fine, there's lot of map in the game where you can avoid vehicules tracks, and even have the upper hand on them. When you are crossing those roads used by vehicules it's not only inherent to the eldars, you are also watching to not get crushed while playing against Chaos or Ork. Until the devellopers find a way to make it less punishable and killy, stop trying to kill the eldars vehicules with melta bomb or melta gun, prefere to use ranged AV weaponry like multi melta and lascannon and you should see their vehicules burning to the ground pretty quickly.

All I read was "I can't be bothered to look at a mini map, learn map positioning, or be bothered to learn how to use enemy weaknesses/play to own faction strengths" in the OPs post. I mean if people are simpley flocking to eldar and orks why then do they combined still make up like not even quite 1/4 of the games player population? Seems odd to me that the super UP lsm still makes up 50% of the playerbase.

Maybe, and this is just a random thought here, THE LSM IS COMPRISED OF MORE PLAYERS WHO HAVE LESS PRACTICE AND LESS STUFF AND IT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS THEIR TEAM PLAY POTENTIAL!!! thats just crazy talk though! There couldn't possibly be any truth to that line of thinking.

Also serioysly OP stop trying to demand some stupid bolter porn game like THQ space marine cause thats exactly what it sounds like what you want.

The stalker bolter and the grav cannon modded for maximum dps both have the same dps as an unmodded bolter. The dps of the grav cannon vs vehicle is 330, a charged attack from a powerfist deals 1900 dmg. You can't even destroy a transport by unloading all your ammos.


Numbers don't lie indeed. Misinformed forum whiners do though.

Yeah, because grav guns are all about their damage, right? Emperor forbids they could be used to make your 1900 damage powerfist actually able to hit that vehicle...

Moving goalpost. He said it's a superior AV option compared to other factions. It's not. Any regular tactical with a meltagun and a meltabomb will destroy a vehicle in a few seconds. That is, without a shadow of a doubt, a much more effective option. And I'm not even going to talk about fire dragons.

Pretending that having a gun that slows vehicles and basically requires another player with an AV loadout to be around and target the same vehicle at the same time is the best AV option is utterly laughable.