So...I have to ask..is Toughness as a stat in a good place?

Because after(once again) unlocking the Gobs and Armors for Orks, even on my Vet, I don't feel tougher. I didn't in past patches, I still don't now.

Are these items just not giving ENOUGH of the stat, or is the stat formula so bad that no matter how much toughness you stack it doesn't give enough mitigation?

Or is this simply a side effect of weapons having too much base penetration across the board and that most players seem to roll with a Power/Force weapon as melee?

Should Toughness have two kinds of Mitigation tied to it? Different values for Ranged/Melee damage sources?

Burning questions. Burning deep in my loins.

I'm mostly fine with it ATM. Some weapons need looking at but on the whole it's in a nice place imo. I don't want them to mess with it too much and fook the TTK up again. I'm seeing some really good melee battles the likes of about 1 year ago.

Really?

Honestly the only time I remember "feeling" tough was when MoN was juiced to hell.

I felt genuinely "tough" then.

Toughness and penetration and stuff like that doesn't really seem very meaningful.
Its like... extra clutter.

Just double HP and Armor, that'll do fine.

And fix up vehicles.

I'm not entirely sure how the toughness stat breaks down but i do think the best counter to the OP Eldar is to make the other factions take more damage.

Yeah though keeping in mind, I am a MoN user but I can find cover in time if I'm being shot at as long as I'm not right in the open and I can stand a chance in melee if I'm quick enough to react even as a havoc. There are somethings that down me in 1 to 2 hit's though that I think shouldn't but that's down to the weapons not the toughness mechanics.

I would replace toughness with damage reduction %. The way it's working (I mean values) is overly compicated.

IMO, toughness is bad and have almost 0 impact on actual survivability. Everyone dies very fast to everything, a lot of weapons have 140 pen and extreme health values are very low, the biggest being for orks.

Power Maul + something that adds +Penetration and power attacking from the rear sometimes feels like clubbing a baby seal on the beach, except when my target is an Ork, then he will most of the time, turn around, yell something about denting his shiny hat, ill then apologize in naught while he force feeds me my maul down my throat.

Thats how it feels at times

Just pistol him.

Too many silly people do not respect their pistols in melee.

Fun tidbit, I've gotten the "Assassin" commendation I think 4 or 5 times now with Pistols. A couple of those games I had 20-25 kills.

Anyway back to topic!