Rifles suck compare to bolters. Less damage, less accurate Klaw is a complete and total joke, and should be removed from the game. Painboy med triage stands out bright and green, with the huge hit box compared to LSM version. Painboy gets pistol and "knife", while LSM get bolter option, chainsword, pistol, and same poison "knife". What drop out game designer felt this was balanced? No viable anti armour. No meta, and roket is useless beyond 50 meters. On top of all this Orks have the biggest hit box, and lower to ground so headshot hit box is more vulnerable. Waaaaagh , more like Waaaa
Well... -The shoota is I think the best basic shooter. Yes, lower damage and high recoil, but also a high RoF and massive magazine. I think you have a faster TTK against marine/eldar than they you. Will check. -Klaw needs fix, no argument. -Also LSM heal grenade needs size increase. -Painboy looks like he should be weak, and yet I do really well with him. The excellent ork pistols (including poison pistol) and poison melee do a lot. -Zzap deffgun, kannon deffgun if you want more versatility. The rokkit/meltabomb is my favourite class, hands down. Meltabomb and 3 rokkits to the back to kill vehicles, I can ambush people with rokkits, handle firefights with the pistol, and cap. Honestly there's nothing I struggle to do with it at close range. -Headshot multiplier is reduced to 1.5x to compensate, -Sucks when you have tickets, but the immediate spawn is awesome at late game zerging.
I did the math ages ago and can't find it, but as far as basic rifles go TTK times are: Eldar #1 Ork #2 Marines #3 but the difference is minuscule. Yes, orks are basically worse in every measurable way, and all our buffs are simply to compensate for a different massive disadvantage. (i.e. headshot reduction but we take more headshots anyway so really its net even at best) Anyone who disagrees either isn't informed, or is lying to you. I'm considering making a thread of Ork grievances balance wise, but I'm sure i'd just get replies of "git gud" or "salt" People only play Orks for 2 reasons: 1. They like orks, 2. They like playing the game on impossible difficulty. Basically: Easy - LSM Medium - CSM Hard - Eldar Impossible - Orks I suppose the one good thing about playing orks is you can get rediculously good at the game since you're playing at a huge disadvantage most of the time. To reference DBZ, its like training in 100x normal gravity
Technically our storm boltor is the rodeo shoota, which is worse in most categories except fire rate. But since it's a unique weapon it can't be modded, so by default our storm boltor is or will be infinitely worse once attachments get fleshed out more. The big shoota doesn't have a direct equivalent that I can think of, perhaps something from the Swooping Hawks, but I don't know the SH that well to know for sure. But it's purpose it weird as all hell. It's less accurate than the shoota, but has lower damage dropoff implying its supposed to be used at longer ranges than the shoota. It also has a windup time like a heavy boltor though not as bad. It's not really a bad weapon, I have fine games with it, I just can't figure out which niche it's supposed to be filling.
Did I say that? I don't think I said that. If you have a counter argument please feel free to share it and I shall educate you.
How could I counter argue with you? For me to come up with a counter argument you'd actually have to make a proper argument. All you really did thus far was say Orkz were worst off with a very narrow argument. I'll humor it though, pick a single thing where you really think Orkz come up short and we'll have a nice discussion over it. Also... 1.) Not the Claw, I already agree it needs fixing 2.) Not the healing beacon, I already agree it needs normalization with the LSM healing beacon. Way too many arguments are oversimplified and talked about as if they were in a vacuum, so whatever discussion we're going to have is likely going to be expanded for explanation. Let's see where we end up.
