Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by BnCodex, Nov 12, 2017.
So you want to fight the Eldar?
The first thing you need to do is get Eldar OP out of your mind set. If you go into a match thinking the Eldar are OP and going to win every fight, you have already lost as you have let them have a psychological advantage over you before you even started to fight. As they said in Star Ship Troopers to fight the bug you must know the bug so get to know each of the Eldar classes. One of the best ways to know the Eldar is to know how they fight. Eldar have much less EHP than a Marine or Ork so they prefer a fast in and out style of fighting. They also don't have the health to go toe to toe with the other races so they will use various tricks to try and cause you to panic, after all an enemy who isn't shooting at you isn't an effective enemy. The last thing the Eldar will do is use numbers. If you see one Eldar player you be assured that there are more already coming as they can not "Lone Wolf" in this game.
Next you need to know what am I fighting?
I am only going to give two examples as if I give you ways to fight every class you will never learn for yourself and that is very important if you wish to do well.
Dire Avengers are one of your most important targets as they are the capping class for Eldar. The Avenger Shuriken Catapult is there weapon of choice and a very dangerous thing at close range. They want you to be close so they can use there better DPS to deal with you. Like I said most Eldar are never alone so Dire Avengers tend to work in pairs with a possible Warlock as backup. Keep your eyes out for a small triangle over there head as well as a glowing circle around there feet. If you see that you know they are emboldened and doing more ranged damage, as well as taking less dmg. This is also a good give away that if your alone you have more than one enemy headed for you. Dire Avengers are good at close range but get beat at Medium Range so that is your prefered way to engage them. Melee also works but like I said a Dire Avenger is most dangerous at short range.
Howling Banshees are very dangerous to a marine in close combat. They are quick, agile and can tear you apart with the Banshee scream up which causes you to have a distortion effect around your character limiting your vision, causes you to take more damage in melee, and gives a suppression effect. Banshees are there to disrupt your gun lines and cause problems in melee. However like all Eldar Banshees are very squishy so shooting them before they get to you is important as is avoiding prolonged melee with them as this is what they are specialist at.
There are more classes for the Eldar of course but like I said if I tell you everything you will never learn for yourself.
Eldar are different from the other races in this game and that is part of why people love to scream they are OP all the time. But if you learn what they do, what they are good at and how to fight them you will find that the Eldar are no different than any other faction in this game. You just can't fight them the same way you fight the other races. I also would suggest you play the Eldar some time and get a feel for them as well. You will be surprised at how fast they drop compared to the other races.
Anyway good luck out there, I hope you never run into me on the battlefield. You will know its me by the fact I play a Banshee. The good news will be out of the millions of ways to die in this game you have chosen the most beautiful. Cya out there. Pray you see me before I see you.
"They sure are not."
That's it. That's bE's whole statement on the topic whether Eldar are OP. Nothing about hitboxes, nothing about Firedragons, nothing about lawnmowers, nothing about Swooping Hawks and haywire-grenades.
"They sure are not."
At 51:00 they say that there is no quick solution to the lawnmower because for that they would have to deal with the physics-engine.
So you are saying if they made an hour-long statement about how and why Eldar are not OP you would shut up?
I kinda doubt it, the more time they spend validating your concerns, the worse it will get.
All the math you need is out there, look at Mkoll's sheet, do it yourself if you want.
You cant argue against facts, only ignore them. And since you are ignoring the current facts, I dont think you would pay any more attention to official statistics.
It's always the same argument: "You cannot complain about Eldar being OP because you only have anecdotal data, not statistical data." Fine. Then show us that statistical data.
What is Mkoll's sheet and where can I find it?
It is this sheet and it contains most of the numerical data about EC. It is the main reference for meta-gaming right now.
And no, thats not all what I am saying. What Im saying is: You can not complain about Eldar being OP, because Eldar are not OP. There is no mathmatical backup for that claim, at all.
This is likely a bit out of date by now, but I believe this is the most recent statistics on win/loss that the devs have given us. If anyone knows of any more recent stats, please correct me.
If I'm not very much mistaken the only changes to Eldar since these were shown have been nerfs.
So even Nathan's statement "Eldar are not OP" is mean nothing now?
Some minds eldarOPed deep enough. Please loyalists we cant balance game as much as you bad in the playing of such casual TPS.
Hello. I don't want to be a party pooper, but please keep the discussion on topic. Thank you beautiful people.
You're doing it wrong, you're meant to lock Eldar OP threads.