Not really. Our healing grenades are massive and easily shot to bits, oh and they shake the screen so bad when they are destroyed that you can't see shit. The Painboys are a poor comparison to the Aspiring Sorceror, Warlock and now Apoth, weaker in almost every way. Rokkits are awful at range and kill more allies than enemies. Don't get me started on Ork melee as of now. Every game I've played tonight as an Ork I've lost except one. I'm talking 14 out of 15. It's broken. The post is actually clearly from someone who has played both Ork and Chaos quite a bit. Just because it isn't your opinion, it doesn't make it "bullshit".
Our guns are a lot better than you give them credit for guys. Melee is a little iffy due to bugs and weaker animations but the guns are pretty good. Good use for rokkit is on defsnse ever solo defend a cap point for several minutes while also being able to destroy an enemy transport? Cause I know I have. Used on offense? Get the high ground. Rokkits work great aimed well from on high. Outside an aim glitch that mames the aimed fire work like hip fire the shoota is my favorite small arms gun in the game right now.
Ranged weapons across the board are for the most part shit. The penetration is to low which makes the damage feel worse than what it is. I suggested the devs look at toughness vs penetration multiple times now and it's been ignored every time. Investing in toughness should have a impact on all weapons not just ranged non plasma based weapons. 80 pen already gets what 8% damage reduction vs a naked unit then you stack on a single piece of wargear and you end up cutting off around 15% of the damage. I would say the main way to fix this is to up the penetration by 10 for all races bolter and equivalents. As far as our big shoota goes some people have been in denial for awhile but that thing is bad just because you can manage to kill with it doesn't make it any better than what it really is. You would do just as well with a kitted out shoota better in fact since you don't have that dumb delay when you go to fire without aiming. Anyway this wasn't just about orks I've been kind annoyed at how the tacticals are just defenseless vs melee in most cases and their ranged weapons are not powerful enough to really dent them since all melee runs with life steal and high toughness to counter ranged.
Considering I played today (finally) and got to actually stomp with the guild on Orks.... our "problems" aren't nearly as bad as you grots whine. We need fixing up for sure but there are a few things I can't help but laugh at: We don't need Meltas. They just needed to be tuned down so we weren't excluded from the OPness. Klaws/Rokkits/Zzap cannons are great and work well. PC cannons? Ever tried our deffcannon? That thing wrecks boys I don't even understand the complaints. Our melee is the worst? Why? I've been testing in the garrison and in game and let me tell you the only thing I find a bit off is the distance a marine's dbash travels versus Orks/Eldar. Yes, Eldar's spinkick is the same as our headbutt. No, I have never heard one Eldar bitch about it. Get a grip you gits. Here's my personal problems with us I'd like to see addressed: 1) Chain choppa. Why does it exist? It's exactly the same as a regular choppa! Make that our "power sword" so it can have a point. 2) Fix the damn reload bug on the deffcannon already! Yea I do like it reminds me to unbrace and look around but sometimes I really need to just reload and refire as fast as possible and it costs too much time. 3) Do something about the dbash disperity between Marines/Orks/Eldar. They should all be similar if not the same. Believe it or not quick attack/power attack are almost identical at the moment. I would suggest scaling back the marines to match us xenos. 4) Fix the stikkybombs! They seem to work a little better now but they still tend to floatly stikk onto nothing. 5) MOST IMPORTANT! WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HOLD TAUNT AND YELL WAAAAAGH!!! AT WILL!!!!
actually i just wanted to post something salty and see what the response was from the community really and see what peoples views were as it is quite surprising really sorry for the unorky nature of this thread but i feel it was the only real way to get people to say what they were thinking some of my points however i stand behind and some i do believe are fine and actually alot of people have pointed out many good flaws and some good work around but that last part in the sentence i just typed work around why are a race forced to do a work around with there items just to keep up with how easy other races have it? i actually tried playing for the first time all other races and yea well here is my result So my ork guy i normally play either a shoota with my rodeo shoota which works really well actually if you get the jump on the enemy up close my slugga i use just a choppa with pen and impact mod and yea its ok i guess i give my self +1 stamina and some armor with ard armor and i can do ok but still fall to the LSM CSM ELDAR RmB spam more often then i would like to admit Storm boy is the only one really i have any chance of killing and living to tell the tale, same set up as my slugga just with burny choppa +1 fuel 20% regen no trinkets ard armor and dakka slugga so then i went to chaos..... lvl 2 plasma, i was top of the leader board every game like seriously was soooooooooo freaking easy and im sorry if i came across any of your matches last night, also the auto cannon although i had a slow start once i got the hold of it yea pretty much the same, sorcerers wow just wow i never died once a little bit of smart play and yea i felt i was just invincible really again so easy LSM - Plasma same again as CSM, Shield bro wow like how does any one ever die as one of them that shield literally stops anything i had an ork throw a super stick bomb on it and i actually wanted to see it landed and stuck on my back i raised the shield and the shield granted lost its durability but i lived :/ wish ork shields did that tactical's - i really understand why they want the standerd bolter gun buffed i do wow its crap like really but then i just switched to storm bolter and all was well again apothecaries - now this i wish we had a healer who had his own melee weapon or ranged weapon plus his healing thingy on the arm wow just wow, i went with chain sword for straight up combat and switched to my healing weapon thing with poison if i got the jump on people i felt like a buffed out shield bro with out the shield that had tons of healing available so yea.... Eldar - honestly still testing i was having to much fun in a wave serpent running everything over going places i should be aloud and being every worse nightmare for every time until plasma's and lascannons shot me down that is but still just yea..... Now i want you all to take this with a pinch of salt im not hating on all the other races people who play them its not there fault they are just doing the most with what cards they have like us my salt and anger is directed at the people who allow this to happen but with the recent patch things really do feel smoother and better and even though orks have a massive disadvantage i still win alot of matches with the guild im in and when im alone the biggiest threat to orks is team play if we are organised and actually apply team work we win matches any way i written way more then i wanted to write but please take this with a pinch of salt its not me bitching at people its me pointing out some errors i have witness in my own personally experiances some of them will be simply because i did bad and didnt notice but i hope a good portion of this post is valid p.s. im really sorry for my spelling no its not cause im not english its because im just shit at spelling (why i love orks so much)
I dont have a problem discussing aspects of CSM that may be UP/OP but when he claims that SoC is OP and that the CSM have access to RoF what do you expect me to say?
Lol you are going to hate me for this but I've seen maps and situations, largely on Medusa Station I believe, where SoC was absolutely beast. Like it felt unfair. Fair enough on the RoF. It doesn't change any of the facts of his statement mind, regarding Orks which I have summarised. E - He didn't say anything about CSM having access to RoF so I think his points still stand.
He edited his post!You can see his original in my quote.And SoC is easily countered with healing beacons.
Actually today I won every match I played. We do not have Plasma nor Power Swords and our d-bash sucks hard. But we have a few tricks in our pockets. Painboys poison build can be very effective at causing panic and sikky bombs even if destroyable are very spammable. Our Loota can deal amazing tons of damage and are flexible passing from deff guns to zapp to kannons. Our guns are a little unaccurate but no gun works well from distance in EC besides Autocannon. On the other hand we have the highest rate of fire.
