I'd have to disagree, Horus was the only one to come to chaos by trickery, and Fulgrim since he was temporarily overpowered by a daemon, but all the others came to Chaos for their own reasons. Lorgar worshiped the gods, but he wasn't really a follower. He simply knew two things that made his course of action necessary, that the Emperor would kill his Legion and himself for their faith, and that he could never spread his religion as long as the Emperor was in charge. The gods didn't need to control or trick him, they just gave him his answers and he was bound by his own ideals to take action. Perturbo turned because of how his Legion was marginalized for their specialties, given the shit duty and they felt that they were essentially held in contempt. Perhaps not one of the better reasons, but his resentments were his own. Mortarion and Angron had basically the same reason, that they saw the Emperor as a tyrant and when they discovered that the lies behind his vision they turned against him for philosophical reasons. Well, not Angron, he always hated ol Emps. Magnus, he held onto his loyalty up to the point he witnessed his sons being slaughtered. His fall came from classic hubris, Tzneetch didn't really trick him, in fact he kept telling Magnus that he was going to bring doom for his legion because of his own arrogance, and by rebelling against fate he fulfilled the prophesy. An ironic fate, but one caused primarily by "men." Magus for his arrogance, Horus for meddling with the SW's orders, and Russ for being a self-righteous savage and letting himself get used by the gods and Horus by not questioning orders. Cruze felt betrayed by the Emperor and thought daddy tried to off him. He also has the self image that his role as the Night Haunter was one where he sacrificed his own humanity for the good of mankind, and resented that Emps hated him for it. Cruze was crazy, but his reasons were his own. And who really knows why Alpherius does anything, but debatably they could be put into the tricked into it category. But most of the Chaos Primarchs turned of their own accord, and once unleashed it wasn't a matter of them obeying the will of the Gods or even Horus, their actions simply matched the will of the Gods, and the manner they undertook their rebellion even more so. It's all their own thoughts, but the byproduct is more power being thrust into the warp. It's more a matter of that several of them wanted to rebel, but knew if they rebelled alone they would be destroyed, but with Horus's conversion they had a symbol to rally around. As for Loyalist Primarchs, I don't know enough about most, but the Khan certainly was an independent figure, he only adopted Imperial Edicts he actually agreed with and ignored the rest. He might have turned if anyone had bothered to actually try before the Heresy started, but they didn't and he decided to throw in with the Imperium.
True, but that was not my point. He didnt trust Guilliman, because of the ultramar, but he didnt trust Khan, because Khan barely existed in the Imperium. He was just roaming out of borders and having his own fun
Doesnt that sort of prove that guilliman did his own thing also. I mean, the emperor not trusting him is a pretty big deal
It was more in the line of The Emperor losing trust to his sons, after Horus betrayed him. Sanguinus, Lion, Khan, Guilliman, he send wolves after all of them.
The emperor said in vengeful spirit he trust the lion and sanguinius, but when macaldor asked hin of guilliman, he didnt trust that he was loyal
If I was the Emperor, I'd also be a bit concerned by broken reports that Guilliman was building an empire of his own on the edge of the Imperium, given what had just happened over in Istvaan... On the other hand, trusting Lion El'Jonson seems singularly naive given his almost infamous lack of trust in anyone who wasn't totally devoted to the cause of furthering his own interests. If Horus had been sitting on the Golden Throne when the Lion arrived at Terra, it seems unlikely (to me, at least) that he'd have battered himself to bits against the traitors - far more plausible that he'd have brushed off his resistance, retrospectively approved Luther's decision to break Caliban free from the Imperium, sought reconciliation with Horus and his allies, and set up a second Istvaan-style betrayal when the remaining loyalists arrived. The Lion was nothing if not adaptable. Of course, the Emperor's judgement and understanding when it came to human emotion and psychology, particularly amongst his sons, was repeatedly proven to be on a par with that of an abnormally insensitive gretchin. And people still cling to the idea that this blundering idiot is a God purely because he's a bit shinier than your average psyker, and because a traitor primarch wrote a book saying that he was before he himself realised it was complete and utter bollo- { THIS POST HAS BEEN HALTED BY ORDER OF THE IMPERIAL INQUISITION: PROUDLY SHUTTING DOWN INDEPENDENT THINKING AND COMMON SENSE SINCE M31 }
