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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Jencent, Sep 28, 2016.

  1. NurgleBurger NurgleBurger Steam Early Access

    You don't have a second with this gun.
  2. Rakza Rakza Preacher

    I was respawning
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  3. And died again.....
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  4. Rakza Rakza Preacher

    Yes, Got pewpew'ed to death by some kind of Blue Sparkles launcher of Doom of Khaine
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  5. KHETTI Well-Known Member

    Leave Eldar weapons as they are now, but change Eldar durability so that all melee one hits them, and 2 bolt rounds downs them.
    Then you have a powerful glass cannon race with no durability, that would be balanced.
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  6. Rakza Rakza Preacher

    Hell no,

    That's why base stats can't be used as only variables for Durability analysis.
    You have to take into consideration Armor/Thoughness AND Hitbox AND Mobility.
  7. Obbu Obbu Confessor

    Numerically... The lasblaster is not exactly leagues ahead of a boltgun:

    (read the edit below if you want to talk hunter's mark)

    Going to dump some stats of hawk vs tac
    (I have a headache right now, but I think my math is ok :p)

    • Same LP cost
    • lasblaster has 2.4% higher dps than the boltgun
    • Tacs have 25% more toughness (80 vs 100)
    • identical armour
    • identical health
    • ADS spread identical
    • Hipfire Spread identical
    • recoil on boltgun ADS is slightly higher (meaning there's a very gentle recoil, as opposed to none)
    • recoil on boltgun hipfire is higher, im sure, but with the hipfire spread... it makes very little difference.
    • Non-capping class vs capper
    • Jump troop
    • Ranged Jump troop
    • Hitbox differences?

    Food for thought.

    I think the ranged jump troop is what people are having trouble with: the gun? not so much.

    EDIT: it was explained to me, despite the posts in this thread discussing hawks in general quite a lot, that the video is only to highlight the hunters mark, which is indeed far stronger than the base lasblaster I was attempting to discuss, here. In the interest of stopping people correcting me, when it has already been done, read the post on the next page where I do the hunter's mark numbers :)

    So yes, I misinterpreted the OP based on the replies, apologies.

  8. Uhhh..did you watch the video? Like really watch it?

    CSM/LSM were dying in .75-1 second of fire.

    I've never, NEVER, died to a Bolter that fast. Not even remotely close.

    It's -several- leagues above a bolter right now.
  9. ThillyGooth ThillyGooth First Blood!

    The Hunter's mark or w/e the weapon being used in the video is one of those "unique" weapons found in loot crates, not the base lasblaster.
  10. THE NATHANIMAL EventHorizon Arkhona Vanguard

    I believe the problem people have with the gun is that a single shot does 84 damage, and thus a headshot would do something to the tune of 105. On top of its first 2-3 shot accuracy it is OP in the current context.

    I believe it's magazine should be cut in half, or there is a .5 - 1 second delays between shots or both. And it's LP cost should be increased, and it's armor penetration needs to be reduced to 80.

    Also I almost exclusively play Eldar, so apparently I have to say this to shut down irrational Eldar players.
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