You do realise that religion was in the imperium even before the HH due to lorgar right? All the primarchs were tricked by the emperor then, he wasnt tricked by horus or lorgar, how was he to know they would betray him, or is guilliman suppose to be able to see into the fututre? The lion brought curze to macragge. Underestimating is not tricking. Chaos gods?????? Surely you cant be serious about this right? i gotta see this russian lore
lol guilliman didnt even live long enough to try and rebuild. Please give me reference to where it says "it is guillimans fault for the imperium being religious." Hell the ultras are one of the least religious. Lorgar was the biggest child of all the primarchs. Even Sorot tchure, a senoir word bearer admits this. Betrayel is also the easiest form of trickery. To try and bring guilliman down by saying he sucks because he was betrayed, is pretty pathetic to be honest.
Guilliman was 100% responsible for the way the imperium looks today, he didn't just write the codex astartes, he helped rebuild the imperium after the siege of terra. Now, i will say that the imperium would not exist without his contributions, but i also must say that he is responsible for allowing the imperial creed to expand the way it did, instead of doing what the emperor thought was best and keeping all religion banned. While guilliman does not support this, its existence is largely his fault, post-heresy of course. EDIT: and the best primarch is Fulgrim, just in case you guys were wondering
He was to busy keeping the imperium together, instead of worrying about this religion. What about the other loyal primarchs? Why could they not stop it? Hmm. I always laugh at how noobies hate on ultras
You do realise guilliman intended for the codex to be a set of guidlines, not to be followed so closely right? Lorgar is the worst primarch, fairly clear to see. Was controlled by erebus and kor, and was so easily tricked by the chaos gods its laughable. Everything you say about guilliman is ASSUMPTIONS. As for the next part, Guilliman was to busy fighting endless battles. He aint got no time for religious shit
O i definitely hated on the ultras when i was a noobie haha, but now i don't view them any differently from the rest of the loyalists (which isn't really an upgrade ). But anyway like i said, the ultramarines are the only reason the imperium is still alive, by both their actions during the heresy, immediately following the heresy, and in the age of the imperium afterwards. Now, i'm not agreeing with Sergoros in that guilliman is a puppet (in fact Lorgar is more of the puppet, but he got rewarded for it), but i do agree that the current state of the imperium is guilliman's responsibility.
Sergeros' first reply was "Betrays his father ideals, was tricked by almost everyone, puppet of the chaos gods. Yeah. Nice guy overall" There is no fact at ALL. i challenged him to come up with something, and he did not. like i said pm me if you want to continue
Dude, just calm the hell down. There was a smiley showing it was a joke or not to be taken seriously. He doesn't need to back it up facts because he was probably just messing around. He probably continued it because you get so worked up over any kind of slander to Guilliman's name.
I admit, when it comes to sergoros, i get mad, because he constantly trolls the ultramarines. I get fed up. Tho i dont see a reason to calm down as i wasnt mad in the last comment.
Quick taking things so literally then. I said calm down because you launch on these big tirades over nothing. I never said you were mad.
