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Where Are The Blood Ravens?

Discussion in 'Space Marines' started by Miletos, Nov 29, 2013.

  1. Matobar Matobar Moderator / Keeper of the Light


    Gabriel Angelos likes them. In fact, he seems to like most things that aren't Chaos.
  2. Wyzilla Wyzilla Well-Known Member

    Hopefully dead in a ditch from being killed by the Ordo Malleus or went the Squat way out via Tyranid Hive Fleet. They have no place in something intending to actually respect the lore, rather than take a big dump on it like the Dawn of War games. Blood Ravens are just a terrible home-brew special snowflake chapter that's a Gary Stu made incarnate.

    And the Thousand Son descendants theory is frankly full of shit to the point that even 4Chan disses it. Actual descendants would all be psykers and stupendously powerful at that. Thankfully, there's nothing supporting it so it's simply a fan illusion wanting to make the Blood Ravens even bigger (annoying as f*ck) special snowflakes.
  3. Sartek Sartek Cipher

    Nothing supporting it?

    Well...you obiovusly know nothing about them then. There are Thousand Sons books that have very obvious hints towards Blood Ravens being their descendants.

    Also, were ALL Thousand Sons psykers before their corruption?

    Hmmm...but how are there Rubric Marines then? Those are the ones who were not psykers. And they outnumber the sorcerors of Sons greatly. Meaning most of the marines in the chapter werent psykers.


    Exactly like the Blood Ravens. Who are like loyalist Sons.

    You jsut hate on them, but you know absolutely nothing about them, and you seem to not know anything about the Sons either.
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  4. Wyzilla Wyzilla Well-Known Member

    Have you read the fluff at all?

    No, all of the Thousand Sons have psyker powers- only a large amount of them developed mutations later in their lives from Chaos taint. The Rubric removed the mutations and buffed the psyker powers- but turned them into dust-filled automatons bound to their associated Sorceror.

    There's no similarity between the Blood Ravens and the Thousand Sons. Simply having a large amount of psykers does not magically mean an association with which there's nothing at all to support. Merely Relic being incredibly lazy and not revealing their creation and using it as a MacGuffin at times. The 'evidence' for them descending from Thousand Sons is just are likely as they are from the Lost Primarch.

    Mandatory fluff reading needs to be a bloody rule on this site, because I'm getting sick of users that I swear only are aware of W40K from the Relic games.

    Anyone who's actually browsed through the Black Library would know that the Blood Ravens are just a Gary Stu of chapters (even more than the Ultramarines to some degree) that trash respective lore and simply are delicate special snowflakes that shatter if you analyze them.

    (Hilariously as well, their greatest 'heroes' would likely be held and investigated for Heresy. Especially Angelos, who helped spread Chaos through the sector and is largely responsible for the clusterfuck of events that wreaked havoc on the sub-sector. There's no reason why any of the Blood Ravens should continue to exist besides them being the posterboy of Relic.)
  5. Matobar Matobar Moderator / Keeper of the Light


    The Chief Librarian of the Thousand Sons and long Magnus' closest friend and adviser within the Legion, a powerful Chaos Sorcerer named Ahzek Ahriman, devised a way to prevent further mutation in the form of a powerful spell known as the Rubric of Ahriman. However, the rest of the Sorcerer Librarians of the Thousand Sons did not agree or see eye-to-eye on the matter. It was only when Magnus was finally elevated to the status of Daemon Prince of Tzeentch that the Sorcerers banded together to create a Cabal. They agreed to cooperate and unleash the Rubric. The following sorcerous cataclysm unleashed lightning strikes that hit each and every Thousand Sons Chaos Marine. Those that had little or no psychic power were disintegrated outright, their bodies turning to ash within their armour. Those that possessed psychic power found those abilities greatly augmented, becoming among the most powerfulsorcerers in the galaxy, yet their souls were fused with the very essence of their Power Armour as a result, creating a horrific hybrid of man and machine..

    From the Lexicanum :D
  6. Wyzilla Wyzilla Well-Known Member

    At the beginning of the Crusade, they fought as tenacious and energetic expanders of the Imperium, and were not considered particularly distinct from the main body of the Legiones Astartes. Five years into the Crusade however, the warriors of the legion - much to their delight - all began to spontaneously develop psychic abilities...which were followed by a wave of horrific, unwilling degenerative mutations. This mutant process became referred to as the flesh-change, and was much feared by the Thousand Sons. Most of those afflicted were secured in stasis chambers in the hope that some future cure would be found for them, and the numbers of active Thousand Sons began to dwindle as a result.[3a]

    Also from the Lexicanum. Those with 'little power' were still potent psykers and mutants.
  7. Matobar Matobar Moderator / Keeper of the Light

    Why would the quote say little or no psykic power, if there was apparently a lot of psyker power?
  8. Wyzilla Wyzilla Well-Known Member

    Tell me, just how much do you know about Warhammer 40k, and how many books have you read and codices you own?
  9. Matobar Matobar Moderator / Keeper of the Light


    This isn't a battle of who loves WH40k more. It's an argument over the Rubric of Ahriman. You say that the Thousand Sons are a legion of all psykers: I disagree, because the Rubric changed all the non-psyker Space Marines into suits of armor.
  10. Wyzilla Wyzilla Well-Known Member

    The Rubric changed all mutants into the Rubric Marines of the modern day. Of course, not only is that a wiki and thus untrustworthy, but W40K fluff is not by any means linear or sane. Everything contradicts something.

    Although, considering the source for them all being psykers is from the novel by McNeil dedicated to the Thousand Sons and their fluff in the Horus Heresy book series, I'd take its words over IA.
    (Which might also not be holding any credence to current fluff, as I forget it's age.)

    And I was asking the question on familiarity with fluff. Anyone who's read at least three books knows there is no smooth continuity of W40K and contradictions are extremely common.

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