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What was, What is and What will be- The Eldar Gods discussion

Discussion in 'Eldar' started by Dragonkindred, Oct 20, 2015.

  1. Dragonkindred Dragonkindred Arkhona Vanguard

    After a thread derail that would make Cegorach proud, I thought we should move discussion into its own thread.
    Original derailed thread http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/can-wraiths-talk.47971/ .

    So, if you wish to discuss and/or understand the Eldar Gods, this is the place.
    To get you started, here are the Eldar Gods, as supplied by http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Eldar_Mythology

    • Asuryan: Sometimes known as the Phoenix King, Asuryan was the king of the pantheon of Eldar gods. While the mythic cycles seem to indicate that he held sway over all the others, he was nevertheless consumed by Slaanesh. He is often depicted in relation to fire and light, his chief symbols.
    • Gia (or Gea): A consort of both Khaine and Asuryan.
    • Hoec
    • Cegorach (or The Laughing God): The God of the Harlequins is the other surviving god of the Eldar Pantheon after Isha. The Laughing God was the trickster and artist of the pantheon. When all the other gods were destroyed, Cegorach fled before Slaanesh until Khaine rose to do battle with it. The Laughing God took this chance to escape into the realm of the Webway, as only he is said to know all the secrets of its passages. The master of the Harlequins, Cegorach is the only Eldar god that still remains in his original form.
    • Isha: The Mother of the Eldar race, Isha is a fertility goddess in many respects. She was imprisoned by Khaine for a period of time, until Vaul paid her ransom. She is often depicted crying, and her symbol is a teared eye, symbolic of her sorrow in being separated from her mortal children. Her tears are said to have been formed into runes by Vaul so that she could communicate with her children. It is also whispered the Isha was taken from the jaws of Slaanesh by Nurgle and she currently remains his prisoner.6
    • Kaela Mensha Khaine: The God of War, whose Avatars can still be summoned into the material universe to protect the Eldar from its place in each Craftworld's Infinity Circuit, as long as a powerful Eldar warrior sacrifices his life to serve as a vessel for the possessing god.
    • Kurnous: God of the Hunt, the Father of the Eldar race, and the consort of Isha. He is often shown in conjunction with hounds, hawks, and other trappings of the hunt.
    • Lileath (also known as Lilcarth): the Maiden, Goddess of Dreams.
    • Morai-Heg: the Crone, the Goddess of Fate and Soul.
    • Vaul: The Artificer, Vaul is one of the central gods of the pantheon, and an enemy to Khaine. In order to purchase the freedom of Kurnous and Isha, Khaine demanded one hundred potent divine blades from the smith god. Vaul was unable to finish the last blade in time, and so hid a mortal blade amid the others. This fooled Khaine long enough to get Isha and Kurnous to freedom, but when he realised the trick he cried out for vengeance. Vaul finished the final blade, Anaris the Dawnlight, and took it to do battle with Khaine. Though it was the greatest of all swords, Khaine was the better warrior and crippled Vaul. The smith is often shown chained to his anvil, the punishment that Khaine set upon him.
    • Ynnead: The God of the Dead. A potential god formed of the souls of the dead Eldar contained in the Infinity Circuits of the Craftworlds. Ynnead represents the last, faint hope of the Eldar that they will overthrow Slaanesh and free themselves of his curse. The Eldar believe the Eldar souls contained within the Infinity Circuits of all the Craftworlds are collectively forming a new god which will have the power to destroy Slaanesh, freeing their racial soul from destruction and consumption by the Prince of Chaos. As yet the souls contained in the Circuit can muster only a tiny amount of power compared to Slaanesh - the Eldar believe that only once every last Eldar has died and their souls combined into what they call Ynnead, will it have the power to finally confront and destroy Slaanesh--and the Eldar race can be reborn.7 p. 42, 8
  2. Dragonkindred Dragonkindred Arkhona Vanguard

    Quoted from this thread; http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/can-wraiths-talk.47971/page-5
    Possibly. Personally, I think Cegorach will enact his final play during the Rhana Dandra, stopping the total destruction of the Eldar race.

    Question; How do you see victory for Chaos being "The Age of the Emperor"?
  3. Not to derail in the first reply but does anyone else feel that The Emperor is a distillation of the Chaos Gods?

    Decayed and rotten (Nurgle) thousands murdered in his name (Khorne) the souls of which he consumes (Slaanesh) and scheming all the time to keep his race alive and dynamic (Tzeentch). Chaos and The Imperium are fundamentally linked through The Heresy. One cannot exist without the other to feed it.

    To try to bring this back on topic (for the sake of a nice idea for a thread, for saving the Wraith thread and for Dragonkindred:)) I guess from the Eldar perspective a Chaos victory would mean that The Imperium would need to strengthen itself in response.

    Cegorach, like all godheads is ultimately unknowable to mortals. His final act then is also unknowable and as previously mentioned, more than likely incomprehensibly to almost anyone in the mortal realm. Even the long lived Eldar and their Seers would balk at the drama He has laid out with only his most loyal and trusted servants being privy to its design, meaning and ultimate goal. Even a Harlequin's faith is blind. Whatever his plan is it will be a glorious joke, terrible in it's irony and unfathomable in it's depth. It will disrupt the connection between Man and Chaos and ripple through the whole universe and The Warp.

    That's all we can know for sure.

    (If this does derail I am sorry but you can't blame a trickster for being tricky! :p)
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  4. Andraina Andraina Curator

    See Age of Sigmar.
  5. Jorimel Jorimel Well-Known Member

    An excellent summary Dragonkindred! I'd just add that it's soulstones that Vaul made from the Tears of Isha, not runes :) And that only some Eldar believe that every last one must die for Ynnead to rise - others view Ynnead as a myth or a metaphor, or otherwise don't embrace the idea of total destruction (what would be left to save?). Whatever the differences, GW has embraced "yup, Ynnead is a thing" at the moment though, so I would agree you're right to include Ynnead.

    Most of the Eldar gods are dead. This is a part of the tragedy of the race. There are hints though, in the novels, that consumed by Slaanesh may not be the same as destroyed. What are your thoughts on this?
  6. Runihura Runihura Subordinate

    How much of a god/goddess could they be if they can be killed?
  7. Most of them are dead right?

    THEN DEY WEREN'T GAWDS!

    HUE HECH HUEP
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  8. Jorimel Jorimel Well-Known Member

    How much of a deity could they be if they were killed? I direct you to Greek mythology, Roman, Norse, Egyptian, Celtic ...
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  9. Gods arent only gods if they are omnicapable, thats only the judeo Christian faiths
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  10. You mean ancient primitive religions? yeah I know them.

    To me most religion is bullhonky anyway though

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