In short, without the use of statistics and variable knownledge. It's more the fact that Dark Angels has a increasing reputation for being "closet heretics." Simply because of the fact that Dark Angels has done some pretty notable heretical things here and there, which sometimes even turned out to be failures anyway. Making ships disappear here and there and chasing Fallen to cleanse your name. The only "biggy" I have with Dark Angels is the fact the Chapter is going so deep in secrecy that they've murdered so man to reach Fallen information and the whole thing with their Chapter literally going as far as heavy Indoctrination with the Marines and what not. Specially the second thing mentioned. Dark Angels shredding the Imperium? It would be suicide to do so. Not enough with the Imperium would shred the Dark Angels, you would propably cause so much damage that the Imperium would be crippled even more and it would fall. Actually, that would propably just make people nod their heads in confirmation that you're heretics. Abaddon would propably just wreak havoc and Dark Angels would finally have punched it trough.
The Black Templar incident has been hinted that it was actually a group of Fallen pretending to be Dark Angels. Every other incident that I know of, it has been Asmodai at the head (he is a bit overzealous sometimes). Azrael even gave him a time-out on The Rock for one of the incidents. In the most recent book for example, after Cypher gave himself up, Asmodai wanted to leave for The Rock immediately but Belial and Sammael refused to leave the Campaign and the Imperials on the planet to die.
I know it would be suicide, which is why we won't, and we are among the most loyal astartes in the Imperium. We could have as many as 150 chapters sired from us, and apart from those who don't know who their Father is, most would serve directly under us. So we could simply reap a harvest as one, against the many scattered chapters.......Not that we intend to of course.
I'm not sure how to answer the original question. "What chapter are you?" If I should base it off the idealized version of myself, then I'd say Celestial Lions or Salamanders. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Celestial_Lions or http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Salamanders If I should base it off who I empathize with the most, it'd be the Soul Drinkers. (I've only read about a book and a half of what I think is a 6 or 9 book story, so I could end up changing my mind.) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Soul_Drinkers If I should base it off which chapter I think is the most BA, then it'd be the Excoriators. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Excoriators If I should base it off the chapter that I actually have models for then it'd be Dark Angels. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Angels
Only stupid warriors would disregard the work of our Primarch, like it or not, but even dark angel use it. Even the eternal crusader, the black Templar know the value of the codex started. If we grow like weeds, it is our strength, only the Avenging Son had made the dream of his father come true in the 500 worlds, you don't even know how to take care of one. Yes we are many, but it is our will. Our seed is the strongest ( no misunderstanding not the best but the stable one ). We are all astartes with merits and flaws, but we do not bend, to no one but the emperor. Now, I never call you the tainted one, but if you say so it must be true... And as an end, maybe am I not writing that well in English but please be my guest correct me but please do it in French.
The Crimson Consuls didn't turn Chaos. They were indoctrinated by Alpharius into being psycopaths murdering each other and that was before they were even Astartes so i wouldn't count that as "turning Chaos". The Doom Warriors are not even an Ultramarine successor chapter. Their origin is unknown. Not to mention that i didn't find any info of 6 of their companies joining a Nurgle's Warband. The Avenging Sons' 3rd company did indeed turn but that's hardly "entire successor chapters turning Chaos" right? Certainly nothing like almost half of your Legion turning heretic and the other half chasing it and killing loyalist Astartes in the process
1st off, if you took that as an insult it wasn't meant that way. I was just guessing at what you were trying to say. My French is appalling. I would argue only the stupidest warriors would treat a Codex written 10k years ago as gospel without the ability to change and adapt. If by strongest you mean the easiest to make Astartes out of then yes. However it is written that Ultramarines, now, suffer from much shorter life spans than any of the other Geneseeds (only a few hundred years) which is believed to be a degradation of the gene-seed itself. The Dark Angels gene-seed is considered the most "pure" to its original creation by the Immortal Emperor. Do to the fact that they general ignore the Gene-seed Tithe along with the Space Wolves. By that logic Horus didn't turn to Chaos either, he was indoctrinated by Erebus of the Wordbearers. The tainted Crimsons killed their loyal brothers and joined the Black Legion. (Sounds alot like Istvaan III) I mistyped I meant the Doom Legion Chapter. They joined the Vectors of Pox warband. Yo can read about them in one of the Angels of Death short stories I believe. It is amazing to me that people in this day and age still spout off that half of the Dark angels turned to Chaos when it is repeatedly stated otherwise... Only 500 Astartes were sent back to Caliban to speed up training. Not even all of those 500 turned to Chaos as it is written that the fighting had begun long before The Lion and the rest of the 1st Legion returned to Caliban. Even if all of those 500 turned, which they didn't, that would still only by 500 full fledged Astartes and a few thousand recruits against well over 100k full fledged Astartes (ball park figures are 100k-150k as they were considered a medium to large legion). In the end, as said by The Great Lion himself, "I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward." Clearly you didn't read above. It has been strongly hinted in the most recent books that The Black Templar incident may have been Fallen pretending to be Loyal Dark Angels. There HAVE been a few cases were Dark Angels have withdrawn from a campaign to chase gifted individuals but of all the times written about, it has been Asmodai at the head of that decision. In the most recent book Belial and Sammael refused to leave a sector that Typhus was in because it would mean sacrificing Imperium lives. It was only Asmodai who wanted to leave because he wanted to get Cypher back to the Rock as quickly as possible. Asmodai forced a Company Commander to leave a joint campaign with the Silver Skulls to chase a powerful individual. Short version: The man turned out to be an Inquisitor; The Orks raped the Silver Skulls; The Inquisitor told the remaining Silver Skulls and their Chapter Master what had happened; The Silver Skulls CM demanded a face to face apology from Azrael himself; Azrael, angry about having to descend from the Tower of Angels, gave Asmodai a time-out until he returned. When Azrael got back he asked Asmodai if he felt he was wrong. Asmodai replied that it was wrong of him to not kill the Inquisitor when he had had the chance.
No, it's quite different. Horus did that by his own free will when he was already not only just a Primarch but the Emperor's Warmaster. The Crimson Consuls were subliminally indoctrinated since before their Astartes days. If someone came to them and told them to join Chaos, they'd slay him where he stood. But with psycho-indoctrination, they had apparently turned psychopaths and went into berserk mode with one key-word. Even then, they didn't join Chaos. They just senselessly slaughtered anyone in sight. Horus turned against the Emperor and joined Chaos fully intentionally. Lol misunderstanding there. You're talking about the Doom Legion, not the Doom Warriors Don't worry, we're doing it to mess with you. We'll always love you but you'll also be the Imperium's closet heretics. The Lion's words make sense on one hand. On the other hand, you can only go so far talking about loyalty when you end up killing loyal sons of the Emperor to hide your own dirt. I think we're going off-topic with the whole D.A thing though. I suggest we drop it before Asheru storms in with a shuriken cannon.
"Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology" Erebus whispering into Horus's ear was absolutely indoctrination. So was everything that happened in The Warp while Horus was being healed in The Serpents Temple. Fulgrim was also indoctrinated by the Daemon in the Laer sword before becoming completely possessed. Fulgrim believed at first that the voices were part of his own consciousness. Caught it and edited it before you posted
