To clarify, I never defined having exclusive access to new factions via buy-to-play expansions as pay-to-win, in fact I explicitly said otherwise. I disagree. I think each faction may have different strengths and weaknesses as a whole, but when you look at each player character build, the design of the game should prevent any faction from having a single build which another faction never is equipped to handle. I am talking about pay-to-win character balance in this thread. Where I mention faction balance, I am talking about factions being updated with equivalent character options in free updates so no player is at a disadvantage by having less options.
Read it fully and acknowledged it beast. I think you only pick what is p2w in your own opinion and not in a majority. But you say it is not because it is individual p2w your afraid of, i bought the expansion you did not i have p2w because i got new gear to combat you. Rouge dreadnought has an weakness and strength in statistic, a new race has a weakness and strengths, they are the same in question of difference, both buyable with cash, yet dread is p2w a new race is not? Well i got nothing more to add to this thread, if one thinks WoW did right then they are fairly mistaken, any MMORPG expansion or game has always added new gear to spice it up, and you buy with cash which is p2w, but its not p2w because it is only a minority in the huge content available in an expansion.
@ Araghast The difference between weapons are mostly just stat numbers within the game; they are easy to set and patches update item stat balances all the time. However, new weapon graphics take time to design and can purchased like any other cosmetic attribute. Players should raid new dungeons for fun; of course, that isn't to say gear can't be fun. New dungeons might include different chances at acquiring specific items, possibly even greater chances at acquiring new items. My point is to avoid exclusive gear stats. I haven't played WoW, so please clarify if I am missing something still. EDIT: missed your last post while I typing... I don't expect anyone to have a pay-to-win advantage for buying a new faction expansion because the game should be designed for each faction to be balanced.
No i got nothing to add i highlighted the important parts, if you have made your opinion then it is made, i hear some say p2w then when you show it of in different light it is not p2w, some say buying better weapons or weapons of different horizontal aptitude is p2w, add it to an expansion in a dungeon then its fine, its just some statsitcal changes not p2w. Add the weapons as a cash shop item which weaker are then those in game, its p2w, yet you can gain that item in game, just play the game and you can get the same item even stronger, cash vs game items have flipped sides, yet its not good, because of semantics and how much time it takes to get gear if i get lucky to drop it....and so on and so forth. People are going up and down on it and the reasoning about what is p2w has already gone out of proportions by now.
It is a little bit hard to understand what you mean to say while you where paraphrasing the rest of the thread in this post because of your sentence structure. However I do agree with your last statement because it seems like we are confusing who is arguing what.
What was confusing? that i structured up the points in paragraphs and you did the same thing, yet mine is confusing. Well now i just feel insulted, i think you should take a look in what you think is p2w, because i see this is p2w then all of an sudden it is not p2w, due to how it is introduced. Well i am done, got nothing to add.
I don't mean to be insulting, I just want to understand. Perhaps I am just to sleepy to read your post. I don't mean to drag you into a tread you are done with, but I still don't understand what you mean when you say that something isn't pay-to-win depending on how it is introduced. I can respect that you are done, so please don't feel like you need to clarify for my sake.
Ok ill go at it one more time. "Dreadnought" Bought from rouge trader is p2w according to many because it gives you an advantage in statistics its faster but does less damage, horizontal option is p2w according to some, hence why dreadnought is considered p2w because this horizontal advantage is only bought with real money. In the same way a new races has different statistics some or others have higher hp but less in speed, some are faster but lower in hp, some are tougher but have normal the rest with less hp or so. A new race is different from any other races, yet any new race with different statistic has then an advantage over some races and an disadvantage against others the stats work well against some and a bit less against others, yet the races are also buyable with real cash but is not considered p2w. Both the dread and race are the same, but here is the kicker. Let us say if you buy the game the races have strengths and weaknesses but you have to buy the game, any other race will be the same strengths and weaknesses and you got to buy the race that will later on be introduced. Yet with new statistics on that race you gain horizontal advantage in being better on some things in comparison to others, the dread is the same in that aspect good at some things bad at others. 1 is considered p2w other is not. They are introduced differently and ones opinions about it is then changed in what is p2w and what is not p2w, that is why it is out of the window of opinions. I have become tired of this thread truth to be told, try and try people have made up their minds and some are willing to bend, some are so hardcore even cosmetics can be bad, and some dont mind some kicking around the corners for the dread or so to be added.
I just want to say that devs said that everything will have strengths and weaknesses and to win you have to utilize your strong points and enemies weak points that is why ork boyz can kill space marine even though they are weaker. And devs also said that new player can kill a veteran in 1v1 if you are skilled enough but veteran will have more choices in equipment than you so he will have better chance to kill you. And i always thought that when expansion will come you do not have to buy it to play dungeons but you have to buy it if you want faction or weapons or something that will be there.
