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What Is Pay 2 Win For You In Today's Game World?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by MiguelCaron, Dec 2, 2013.

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What is your Prefered Business Model?

  1. F2P

    11.1%
  2. Buy 2 Play with Micro-Transactions (NO ingame Powers)

    26.4%
  3. Buy 2 Play with Micro-Transactions (Ingame powers lower than the one from playing)

    7.7%
  4. Eternal Crusade model: Buy 2 Play (NO Ingame Powers) with Orks Boys F2P

    72.3%
  5. F2P in a Pay2Win Model (I really hope you dont choose this one!!) ;-)

    2.6%
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  1. FabricatorGeneral Unbihexium Forum Beta Tester

    The fact that you lack an actual argument for your statement is irrelevant? I'm also pretty sure that it isn't empty and that "valoration" is not a word that exists in the English language.
    And that's fine I guess, but without falling back on the idea of this having an effect on game design, you have no leg to stand on. You simply don't like buyable cosmetics and that's it. Unfortunately you are in the minority here.
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  2. Mozalbete Member

    Spoken like a true SWtOR fan. They were very happy about everything too. And liked to talk with themselves about how perfect everything was beyond any doubt, and how other people were ignorants that didn't know what they were talking about. There is a term for that collective behaviour.

    Wake.
    Up.

    I can't change decisions, but I sure can complain about anything I don't like, and if that means being against the popular opinion and seeing how people refuse to directly answer to everything I say, so be it. Others repeat one million times how they like something. I can do the same if I don't like something. It's good for the game.

    Am I supposed to accept anything you come up with as a fact? What about the fact that nothing you have said changes what I have said and it's just a desperate apologist defense? Valuation*

    I don't need to go to an upper level. I don't say "these things are bad, so game design is worse so the game is worse". I say "these things are bad so the game is worse"
  3. FabricatorGeneral Unbihexium Forum Beta Tester

    Indeed. Thing is that SWTOR had no microtransaction problems when it launched. It suffered from other things entirely and trying to list them off would take pages of forum space. It was also a subscription model game so I don't see why you would flaunt it.
    You're also forgetting that while you do have every right to throw any kind of fit you want within the boundaries of forum rules, you won't change anyone's mind unless you can actually provide compelling logical reasoning to back up your statements. If anything, you are actively turning people against your viewpoint.
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  4. Mozalbete Member

    Things is that it's a different cause but the same behaviour that kept the game from improving. That's the kind of logical rasoning that all of you seem to lack
  5. FabricatorGeneral Unbihexium Forum Beta Tester

    Same behavior? You're talking about the forums I'm guessing seeing as there was nothing even remotely similar in SWTOR's development or monetization.
  6. Mozalbete Member

    Of course I'm talking about behaviour. I mentioned several aspects of it
  7. FabricatorGeneral Unbihexium Forum Beta Tester

    Well then you should probably look back at this very thread and notice that almost every single person you have argued with thus far actually complained about many of the initial microtransaction proposals. And that the developers themselves responded with changes to the plan accordingly.
    Cosmetic purchases however have no good reason to be opposed.
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  8. Mozalbete Member

    The behaviour I'm talking about doesn't have to be always present.

    I have given several reasons of why they make the game worse, and what they become. And what do people say? that I use no logic, that people having to pay more for cosmetics that could have been fun parts of a game that needs content is just a crazy dream I'm having. Somehow this isn't a fact. Somehow, there is no locked content because there is content that isn't locked. Whelp
  9. wasniahC New Member

    I tell you one thing I find pay-to-win and don't like - exclusive preorder or special edition content. Oh hey, I paid extra for this game (Or just happened to buy it before you), now I get an advantage! Please no. Cosmetic exclusives, great! Out-of-game stuff? I love it. Soundtracks, art books, etc. Give me all the merch you can throw at for paying for a special edition. But you start throwing in extra shit like exclusive weapons, mounts, boosters.. I get sad. :\
  10. Plague Malgaroth Cipher

    The weapons and mounts would only be skins and boosters work an entirely different way than you think they do. You're good to go, bud
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