Nope, the string can seem to be weak, but it might be strong enough, and someone with no scientific knowledge wont put his head under it either. I can think about 3845738457 more different examples. Irrelevant empty valoration. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/must And I say that I don't want some. All the content. I don't want a single indipid microtransaction. If there is one, I will complain. I can enjoy the game, but much less. The game isn't going to have spare content when it's released How does that change my example? Proofs are not what determine what we do and think. Proofs are almost nonexistant in real life, and of course they make no sense when talking about future events. I know MMOs too well to know that what I've said isn't emotional or apocalyptic. It's reality. MMOs constantly degenerate and die. Do you know how many MMOs die each year? How many promising games with lots of interested people fail? No matter how many initial sales they have, they die constantly, in great numbers, because they aren't good enough for the customers, because they lack content and people stop playing. It's as simple as that. Removing content to put it into a cash shop is a HUGE LUXURY that only a rather veteran MMO with lots of content can afford. It's the steel ball over the game's head. I have also lots of "proofs" about what the microtransactions will cause.
You truly are desperate to be right... The difference between your string example and the microtransaction one is that one can be proven, and has been proven. Theres a scientific process with which you can measure strain, how the hell do you think those cables that hold bridges were tested and made sure they can hold the strain? And the same people had to prove that their cables could handle the strain before anyone sane would even try and risk the lives of thousands of potential bridge passers. Your assumptions cannot become fact, because facts are founded on proof. You can not debate this, it is undebatable. So until you realize what you are saying are assumptions and worries rather than facts i dont think anyone will take you seriously if you cannot grasp this simple concept. Also "proofs are almost non existent in real life"? Seriously?
You the person who is asked to be under the ball can't prove anything. And he doesn't need to. If I point a charged gun at you and pull the trigger, you wont be perfectly calm thiking "well, I can't prove no mechanism is broken". There is no scientific process in those situations, so stop trying to alter my example introducing ABSURD situations. If someone puts a steel ball over my head, I don't begin a scientific measure to measure strain. I move inmediately, I don't think about proofs. I don't take you seriously because you try to use proofs as an excuse in a context where there are no proofs. I can't remember the last time I did anything because I had a proof of something. You have said you will preorder the game. Do you have any PROOF that it will be good? That it isn't a huge scam? Or, surprise surprise, we almost never use proofs when taking decisions! Many organizations use text mining tools to get an idea of what trends will be, but they have not a single proof of what will be a trend. And yet, those tools have a huge value for them.
All points have been made for all sides. I stopped for a reason guys, all the points are out in the open right now and we'll go deeper into a conversation about scientific proof/opinion and logical fallacies in some other thread that's meant for unrelated discussion, as it is all we're doing is restating reasons and throwing barbs at one another. It's obviously getting nowhere, so let the devs and normal people decide for themselves based on the points we've raised. Let it go guys and gals, let it go.
He doesent need to prove you will be safe..... for standing under something that looks unsafe and can potentially kill you? Wow, no really....wow. Also the gun example makes absolutely, and completely no sense. And no, theres no scientific process in these situations. Thats the entire bloody point. And something without a factual backing cannot become fact, i repeat cannot become fact. By relation your words cannot become fact until proven factually that they are. I can go outside and scream that my farts cure the common cold if you inhale them, and until i prove that it is my assumption that they cure the common cold, until they heal someone, then my words become fact based on actual tangible evidence. So you are trying to convince the devs into something based on nothing, you want them to do no microtransactions cause it is your assumption that its bad. Dota 2, TF2 heck even LoL are living comfortably off microtransactions and are drowning in money. Not even gonna comment on the last part, society is built on facts and proven laws. So stating they are almost non existent in real life is a fallacy.
You aren't even trying anymore. I also know how to say "everything you say makes no sense" I don't see how those examples of yours are proofs, it's your assumption that its good, and even then those examples of completely free games aren't valid because they are completely free games with completely different business models. I'm still waiting for those proofs that influence our behaviour, by the way. Tell me when I should use proofs to take decisions. I have clearly shown you cases when proofs are irrelevant when making a judgement. Where are the proofs in the text mining example? Do you know what yyour empty "what you say is a fallacy because I say so! and it makes no seeense!" means to me? That you have no real arguments. No facts. No reasonings. Literally nothing If you can't respect others, don't go to forums.
Alas i got too far into the foxhole... I truly think ill just stop, since he cannot fathom the basic logic of how a argument works. I'll be content though knowing that the devs already decided to do the complete opposite of his baseless arguments and savor that notion. So i guess ill leave it to someone else who wants to prove the basis of a fact driven conversation to him. As of this message, until he realizes what he can actually do to convince anyone who actually has a mind to think with ill bother myself no longer with responding.
