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Unique Gameplay Elements

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by DAG, May 23, 2014.

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Do you want founders to have access to unique gameplay elements? (Read post for info!)

Poll closed Jun 6, 2014.
  1. Yes

    26.4%
  2. Ok, but be careful...

    53.8%
  3. No way

    19.8%
  1. Galen Galen Arkhona Vanguard

    The problem is that we dont know what the devs consider "unique" and until we find out we should stop the meaningless threats...
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  2. What, did they invented a new meaning for unique? Because if we were talking about "items that would be also on the cash shop", they would not be "unique gameplay elements" on founder packs. Unique gameplay elements means gameplay elements that differ from regular gameplay elements and that can be found on funders pack only.

    And what do we gain stopping the threats? What the heck do we gain saying "Ok, but be careful"? We gain nothing, we say nothing, because they need to know that this is horrible. They can't use our caution, because they will need to try and understand what our cautions means. What they want are honest feedback. "This is so bad that make me go from I will throw money at you to I won't play this even if it's free" is a freaking honest feedback to a question. "Ok, but be careful"? What the heck does that mean? "Ok, I like this, but don't make anything else like this"; "Ok, but don't make them too powerful"; "Ok, but don't add to many of them"; "Ok, but make them less powerful than things already on the game"? Who the hell says "Ok, but be careful" to Unique Gameplay Elements in a exclusive, paid pack of a PvP based game? If you want P2W, just say yes! If you don't want P2W, just say no! There is not middle ground! This is PvP ffs, this is not WoW-PvE "let's dance around the boss for 2 hours" in which you can get a subpar class because someone engineered a dance that allow you to use that, this is a freaking game in which being more powerful makes you better than other players and make them enjoy less the game.

    This is so freaking frustrating. It's like nobody know how to stay still whenever they create a good game, and somebody always have to find a new way to frak things up.
    Red Death likes this.
  3. Galen Galen Arkhona Vanguard

    And can you tell us where did you get the info that says that founders items will be more powerfull?Or that you will not be able to counter something like the assault bike or if it will be usefull?
    Also i am not saying that we should accept everything that the devs gives im just trying to say wait till we have evidence that it is actually something that will threaten the game in my opinion.
  4. Who said more powerful? Because I'm sure I didn't say more powerful. I'm not even saying that they will add it.

    What I complain about is A) the mere question of adding Unique Gameplay Elements; and B) the possibility (based on the poll) of adding Unique Gameplay Elements. I don't even care if it's more powerful, less powerful, balanced. They are Unique Gameplay Elements. They are wrong by definition, by mere concept. The sole idea of adding them is wrong. And it's a freaking novelty, which means that they invested time into thinking this. It's a new way of breaking the game, is innovative. They should give them the prize on "Best Original way on breaking games that were just fine".

    Also, they don't even say that they will be "less powerful". I could understand "joke" classes, weapons or vehicles, chuckle and pay for them. A class that shoot paint bullets that change the colour of an enemy player, that seems cool. Shit like that, that's awesome. But they say "balanced". They will be "balanced". That means that they are intended for use, because as they say:
    A limited time offer classic MMORPG expansion pack. They add something that we have to worry if it will going to be balanced with each new patch, and that they will have to balance with each new patch.

    For frak's sake, it's a "limited time offer classic MMORPG expansion pack"! I can't comprehend how the heck are we still arguing if this is right, wrong, or if we misunderstood what they are saying. Have you read the initial post? Because there is only 1 interpretation: limited time offer classic MMORPG expansion pack.

    This is bad. They are bad. They should feel bad. And we should feel bad for still not acknowledging what this is after 31 pages.
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  5. Galen Galen Arkhona Vanguard

    Personally as long as those items are balanced im ok .
  6. And if they implement them and then they are not balanced, what do we do? Weep?
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  7. We give constructive feedback and specifics on why it's imbalanced. I'm hoping there's going to be a test server available so all new items, vehicles, classes, abilities, heroes ect can be thoroughly tested prior to going live.
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  8. We do, then it happens that it becomes underpowered. We again give constructive feedback. It becomes more or less balanced for a while, but then a new element is implemented in the game, which in combination with any of those makes a powerful combo. It forces the developers to balance it yet again, and then it becomes underpowered, because balancing is a complex, really complex matter.

    Now, this will happen with every weapon/vehicle/class. The real problem here is that this one is Unique, exclusive for founders. You see? If this was a class only on the cash shop, it would be a problem, because it would require people to buy the class. But being only on the founder packs, it barres everyone to using them, which can only unbalance the game, and affect negatively the experience for the rest of the players.

    Then, a lot of people will ask for the posibility to buy this classes, because they are cool. And then developers will give it to them, but this will then create the problem that founders are completely offended because when they bought the founder pack they were promised that they were "Unique and exclusive", which turned to be a total lie.

    Now think about a single good thing that could happen for the entire game with this "limited time offer MMORPG classic pack".
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  9. Kudzu Kudzu Cipher

    Obviously the sky is falling. Worse comes to worse if a unique item is overpowered then it's loadout cost will increase to match.
    Psychopski and Laanshor like this.
  10. But do you all think that this is necessary? Why don't just skins and vanities? Why gameplay elements?

    I just don't get why do we need this. Why do this game need this. I just don't get it.
    Red Death and Karukus like this.

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