Stabilizing and Textured still show roughly the same amount of hipfire spread when moving, Textured having a slight bit less spread. I dream of the day Stabilizing isn't useless compared to Textured.
The drum mag is a bit of a... "yeah you can fire forever with it now" kinda thing.. and should probably be at least 150lp at that point with the changes. Generally doubling ammo in the mag shouldn't just be 30LP considering how insanely combat-enhancing it is to not have to reload for ages, and then reloading is rather rapid on top of it. It's a nice chance to make other ammo/mag-options more desirable, like quick reload, pen etc.. or hell, even 40 round mags. Even with the lower DPS, the new Bolter was shredding eldar up close due to the headshot damage now (even vs TLSC), which gonna be a TTK alteration and debatable topic, and if the change is gonna carry over to other bolt-weapons... may be an interesting thing to look at if storm bolters and combi-bolters get it (417~462rpm 49-27 damage).
nah why would you take something that allows you to fire for so long its just a waste of lp at this point , better off taking quick reload mag the bolter is weaker thatn PG/Stalker in every way so no point in using it , eldar or not , its shit
So I see alot of players saying that the DPS is shit. Which I can understand but what is the DPS of every other weapon for LSM and Chaos? Simply saying one weapon's DPS is bad without anything to reference it too basically leads to hallow complaints. If you could pull up the other weapons DPS it would help with balancing a whole hell of a lot. Not ment to sound mean btw. Sorry if it did.
On live: Bolter 210,9 Bolter + CQC 233,1 Stalker Bolter 208,333.. Storm Bolter 264,1 Plasma Gun 211,4667.. Heavy Bolter 380 Voice of the Emperor HB 310 Autocannon 379,5 Teeth of Khorne HB 422,433.. just a few for reference edit; obviously having just DPS provides no context for any other factors at play, ttk and time-to-empty, total ammo, penetration, etc etc
This is beautiful and you are right. We need more numbers though so if anyone else has them please drop them here and lets cross reference to make sure they are accurate.
basically what @Mainfold posted , when i post something about balance i usually take into account that anyone talking about balance knows everything about the game or i consider it shitposting but yeah for now 188 is shit , and if mainfold want to say that dps means nothing i let him compare everything between the new bolter and PG/Stalker , the end will be the same : its shit people think that it will give them more choice , its an illusion , bolter will just get replaced by PG, or if buffed bolter will still reign supreme , no choice there
DPS means something, but there's obviously more context to things than just DPS, you can still lose with a higher dps gun if the TTK on the enemy's weapon is lower even when their DPS is lower. And it's always gonna come back to an element that is permanently uncertain due to loadouts varying; individual case TTK. Like during the testing earlier, I was 3-shotting eldar to the head in a lot of cases, which may be faster TTK than with old model in point blank, but then you take someone that has just a tad more survival stats and suddenly the old version wins. Using DPS to argue balance is often an easy to understand way of arguing for or against a weapon's usability, but does not account for elements like when you argue the dps of a lascannon vs a bolter, or the stalker bolter, or a grenade, etc. The bolter change absolutely makes it require aimed fire, which can be argued for and against in equal sense, but it absolutely certainly does reduce it's capability for most ranges outside of a perfect scenario of point black and clear cut numbers for survival stats. I'll still give @Pierrick the benefit of the doubt for the changes until we see what other things he has in mind, and what other weapons that might be addressed as well (because it may lead to other weapons being DPS reduced as well etc)
the old bolter 3 shots Low ehp eldars too ... with more rpm lower dps means what it means , add on top of that more recoil(negligeable) and more spread , PG for now is better at everything than the bolter , i'll look at how it will change , but for now in the state that it is the meta would shift to PG/Stalker instead of bolter wich is still not a choice
