Nice one hiding this message among all this bs your posts are full of . Might have even missed it, because I was getting bored of your post U know what word bearers speciality is? Devotion. Extreme zealous loyalty. U know the only way they could have been turned from the Emperor? By Emperor himself being extreme dick to them. And this is what happened. Rofl. Also, if u dont trust someone....dont give him an army and then act like a dick with this person. It is stupid and counter productive. Worst_ruler_ever.
Btw ... Humanitys faith in the emperor does not power him at all. It powers the various chaos gods. Thats why lorgar pulled a massive trick on humanity By starting the very thing emperor himself had forbidden and fought against. Humanity is essentially a multi-level powergenerator for the chaos without knowing it.
"U know the only way they could have been turned from the Emperor? By Emperor himself being extreme dick to them. And this is what happened. Rofl." I don't understand how you aren't seeing the critical flaw in your thinking. The Word Bearers were desperate to believe ANYTHING. Grey Knights already knew what they believed in, and they aren't powered by mindless, brainwashed devotion to the Emperor. If anything, they know him far better than any other Space Marine, because they are granted the most secret of knowledges. But aside from that, again, it does not matter what caused the space marine to become corrupt, only that he is flawed because he can be corrupted. Again, even if the Emperor had not acted the way he did, the Chaos Gods would have exploited that weakness in the Word Bearers anyway. Because that's what they do and that's who they are. Lorgar did not "pull a trick". He was very clear about his desires, both to his sons, his father and his brothers from the very beginning. He wanted something to believe in. He was desperate for it. He was a minister, a religious leader before he was recognized by the Emperor as a lost son. He and his brothers and he and his father repeatedly clashed on the issue. It was no trick. All he did was convince Horus to join him, and the rest followed. He was of course manipulated by Chaos Gods, but it did not take much. He was already looking when Chaos presented itself. Keep in mind that Lorgar was indeed a LOST son, as most were. Who knows what warp-spawned whispers rocked him to sleep on cold nights as he aged, in a world far beyond the reach of the Emperor's protection. Perhaps it was even by design. But if he succumbed, then his weakness was inherent. And you are wrong to say that it does not empower the Emperor. Or that the benefits that bleed into the Immaterium in the form of psychic energy is acquired by Chaos Gods alone. The warp is a very malleable realm, as we know, with the the one thing it lacks being energy which it draws from realspace, specifically the emotions and so forth which species within realspace experience. When energy has been absorbed by the Immaterium, it can then be accessed by psychers who can be human, zenos, heretic. or Chaos God who are themselves beings created from the coalition of psychic energy within the warp. This energy is local to both time and space, even though both have a different meaning within the warp. When a psychic storm occurs, it is the result of psychic activity somewhere within appropriate distance of that storm and within an appropriate time frame. This is why Slaneesh was born directly over the Eldar Homeworld during the height of their depravity. Most belief in the Emperor is centered around the localized space of the Imperium, and will be particularly strong in areas that are not only well fortified in realspace, but also occupied by the everlasting essence of the Emperor himself. This is because not only is his body physically located nearby, but because this place is obviously the Sol system and as such is the hub from which Warp lanes emanate, which of course the Emperor maintains constantly. As such he is able to access some of that power which he shares with the Machine Spirit as the Astronomicon. And even if he could not access this power, his very presence would deter active feeding by Chaos Gods who are unable to withstand his presence as the Anathema. But this power is what is necessary to maintain shipping lanes and for basic protection against Daemonic forces just popping up on key worlds like Terra and Mars and so forth. So while there is a substantial power there, it is mostly being used for the mundane. And yes, the Chaos Gods do feed off of it, but they do not control the source or even receive the lion's share. Simply, that energy which is sourced too far away to be absorbed locally or which saturates for great distances are indeed fed upon with glee and perversion by the Chaos Gods who orchestrated these events as a means to creep ever closer to the realm of mankind and to maintain the great stores of energy needed to plot its downfall. It is tenuous. It is dangerous for such a thing could easily be infected. And that is why the brutality of the likes which this galaxy has never seen was created, and it was named the Inquisition. It too has been proven vulnerable to corruption. But humanity excels at plotting and intrigue and this weakness is kept in check by incredible levels of bureaucracy and subterfuge, but only barely and only just.... So in summary, yes it is a multi-level feeding ground, but that is in part due to the participation of multiple parties. Not just Chaos Gods benefit. More than the psychic concerns, it also allows for continued stability within the Imperium so that it can in turn continue the war against the Zenos and the Heretic. Which again, benefits all parties. That is the struggle, for there is nothing beyond the reach of Chaos and yet there are some who will not fall. They are each a mirror for the other. Lastly, for your ending point there, if The Emperor had not given command of his armies to these sons he did not trust, he never would have conquered the galaxy and there would have been nothing to protect. It was a compromise that the Emperor made, one of the many compromises he's made so to bring Order in this galaxy of Chaos. I understand if you do not care to understand or to deal in terms of move and counter-move in the great chessboard that is the 41st millennium and wish to enjoy Warhammer for other reasons, but you should not argue from within those terms if that is the case because you have no insightful arguments to make as a result. But there are others who feed off of these energies of which we speak, some older than even eldar, more powerful than their creators and some even more unstoppable than the necron. And their eye turns toward an unprepared galaxy once again.
Wrong. They were fine as they are, before Lorgar joined the crusade. They were not desperate. They already had their Idol. And only betrayal of this Idol could have broken this devotion. And this is exactly what happened. The Emperor betrayed them. For starters > here is a quote from Lorgar. Spoiler ‘Magnus,’ Lorgar smiled as he saw the emotion on his brother’s face, ‘only the truly divine deny their divinity. It’s written thus in countless human cultures. He never denied his godhood when he first came to Colchis to take me into the stars. You were there. He witnessed weeks of celebrations in his honour, never once rebuking me for lauding him as a god. And since then? He has watched me crusade for him, never saying a word about what I’ve done. Only now, at Monarchia, did he bring down his wrath. When he decided my faith had to be broken, after more than a century.’ Not even once. For over a century. And then, suddenly. THIS PLANET SHOULD BURN!! KNEEL!!! HOW DARE U CALL ME A GOD?!!!! HERP DERP!!!! Yeah. It was stupid and weird. Only this level of stupidity could have broken their loyalty. Lorgars betrayal was not his "Flaw". It was a result of Emperors Flaw. He finally learned, that The Emperor is kind of stupid, tyranical, and mad ruler. Only after this contact he learned "Divine do not deserve worship, just because of its divinity". Smth like that. This armies were doing fine without primarchs. They are doing fine in 32k+. Without primarchs and against greater foes. So it was obviously unnecessary to give your armies to the sons u dont trust And dont even start here about chessboard. The Emperor was outplayed by a force, which had only few pawns on the desk from the start. His plans failed horribly. Chaos was at horrible disadvantage, but won, because the emperor is a horrible chess player.
A smaller force for a while, sure, but they did have the attention of 4 cosmic gods on their side for the rebellion and not a sparkly hooman lord.
I meant Erebus and Kor Phaeron. . Except for them, chaos had nothing. And then Emperor messed everything up.
it's ok to make funny joke about bad parenting and mad action. but it's not what it's really happening. don't pretend to undestand the emperor action: it's like pretend to undestand tzeentch plan. they are on a different level. a 1 year old can undestand the action of a 50 years adult? the 1 year child undestand completely why the father is angry?
| Rofl. Being old does not excuse stupidity. IF he won? Yeah. U can praise his genius all you want. But he failed horribly, so we can judge him all we want. He wasnt wise enough to beat chaos gods. Meh. He wasnt even wise enough to present them a challenge.
not a challenge? demons call him the anathema of chaos. for now the only that fail horribly are the chaos gods: 4 GODS that can't annihilate a single mortal? why 4 chaos gods capable of killings the eldars gods or trapping them into their realm don't have NOM NOM NOMMED the emperor soul? Why the demon's can't swarm the imperial palace from the hole inside the webway ? How the horus soul has been annihilated if all the 4 chaos gods was supporting him? yes the emperor is clearly a fail. ROLF emperor fail. Emperor stupid... emperor not smart.. emperor not wise.. yes great argomentation. The fact is that a mortal is capable of stopping the entire chaos pantheon alone for millennia and millenia, and you have the courage of call him "a fail"?
