Yeah? You spend a lot of time trying to tell someone they mean something they don't.

There's the mistake again. You're saying I'm defending subs and falsely concluding it's because I think EC needs a sub to be successful.

More rinse/repeat:

It can't be spoonfed any more than that. Call it a side topic if that helps you out.

If subs were a miracle solution, I would never have repeatedly said that all models work. I wouldn't have repeatedly linked anything that states F2P and hybrids work well, either. I would have said:

"EC needs to have a sub to be successful. FTP/BTP/micro does not work well. If Behaviour goes this route, they will fail."

Sort of similar to what the OP said.

But, you can't find anything like that for a very obvious reason... I never said it.

All games are not the same product. Some are better than others. Some are themepark. Some are sandbox. Some are niche. My point about payment is no different than the thinking of Wildstar's developer. He said they can charge a sub, because he feels they are a complete MMO and people will pay for that experience knowing they have access to everything.

That's where the "good game" v. "bad game" comes into play. If Wildstar is awesome, people will pay a sub. If it's mediocre, a lot of people probably won't bother investing $15 bucks a month, as little as that is. A good game will stand on it's own and succeed based on what it is; not necessarily how you access it. It's not like we're talking about a high class vehicle where price is a huge barrier for many people. We're talking about a computer game played through the internet that hints at having a bit of expendable money.

Now, if Wildstar was awesome and F2P? There is no guarantee that more people would play and pay. There is no guarantee more revenue would be earned. But, it certainly could be more profitable.

Neither choice is wrong. The individual person makes the choice, and yours is not to play games with subs. That's fine. Nobody is going to try and tell you that you meant something else by stating that.

But here we discuss EC and subs model in respect to it, not some general theory, at least me.


I think most of this discussion stems from your misunderstanding of the forum idea as such, especially THIS forum. I don't know if you paid enough attention to notice but this forum has big orange letters in the upper part of the screen saying: ETERNAL CRUSADE. that could undoubtedly lead to an assumption ppl will come here to debate EC, especially if the subforum title is : general discussion and NOT offtopic. Second misunderastanding is more fundamental, you all the time accuse ppl of egoism (I,I,I... bla bla stufff) but it's you who is all the time reffering to : 'what I say, what I claim, I never said that...'. Well, forum is all about discussion which also means listening to what others say, you probably mistook this place for a blog



You might check out my first post here:

Ofc I was reffering to EC poll,see.

Spicing or not, what you say is: you would like devs to pull cash from F2Whaagh which is stupid, irrational and definitely will not happen in EC, as simple as that.

Really? As far as I remember you suggested this:

Which is exactly what EC devs want for EC, funny.

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. It would be better to ask himself. It's just that not everybody has as much patience as me or Raszczak.

Yes, you said you'd like devs to pull cash from leechers, that's against EC solution, ergo: you disagree with it.

Bravo. EC is a game without a sub and that's what ppl are trying to talk about here (apart from those who prefer monologues ).

Trading was also mentioned by the devs.

Me. me, me again, how egoistic. How about ME this time:

Blade said:

As simple as that .

"At least me". *Bingo* *We have a winner* I'm not sure if you'll understand why you just won phrase of the day, but you did.

No. The misunderstanding is you convincing yourself I said something I didn't. I said what I preferred and why. I said EC's model doesn't bother me. It really was that simple.

I guarantee that if my original post would have had the following addition, neither one of you would have posted a peep:

That's what makes this interesting to me.

Yes, I remember your first post. You didn't understand the context.

There wouldn't be an Ork Boyz mechanic if EC had subscriptions. You already tried that loaded statement. Stupid and irrational is saying only one model works for MMOs. The model that has been chosen for EC (B2P/no sub) is not an issue to me.

You're confused, again. You asked a question:

I was kind enough to give you an obvious "this is what it has to be" answer. As I already told you, that is not a suggestion. That is how it has work in games that use F2P/B2P/micro revenue streams. That's like asking me how you'd drive a car to the store without wheels or a tow. "Well, Blade... The only way for you to get that car to the store would be to put wheels on it or get a tow." Not a suggestion. Just a "Duh!"

No. I said "it would be nice if" they could. Until you understand the difference between an insouciant statement and a concrete feeling one, you'll mistakenly assume I dislike EC's model. I'm currently playing two F2P/micro titles (and spending money!). I must really hate the model.

RMAH is not a trade feature or a typical cash shop. Have you honestly not heard of "RMAH"?

Bought you a kettle for the holidays!



Yes, no sub. That was known before ever visiting the site. But, man... Considering EC as an option must mean I hate no-sub. Massive.

The more I read your comments the more I realise debating with you is a waste of time. This very discussion started by you in this thread shouldn't even be here as OP's aim was completely different, he clearly meant to discuss EC not subs in general:

But you probably just haven't noticed that hence your misconception of the purpose of this thread. But it's still funny to observe how you're trying to prove the opposite .

JCatano siad:
Yes, I remember your first post. You didn't understand the context.

Really? It depends what you understand by the context, for me it's: EC forum, general discussion, subscriptions, poll. Which probably means ppl are discussing the possibility of having subs in EC here thus I'm pretty sure my post was IN the context as opposed to all your ramblings here .

Blade said:

Next, JCatano said:

Does 'it would be nice if they could pull the cash from the leechers' mean the same as 'it wouldn't be nice if they couldn't pull the cash from the leechers? If so you simply don't like the EC devs solution with F2Whaagh ork boys and that's what I was trying to discuss with you. It's not my fault you say one thing first then you deny it completely playing some semantic games. that's why I said you didn't know what you were saying yourself. Either you changed your mind on the run or simply deny your own words, both of which are pretty strange to say the least. And that kinda sums up the whole discussion with you.

Unfortunately I must refuse as probably you'd force me to pay for it in subs which would make it more expensive than neccessary. So I will repeat one of my first posts here:

And good bye .

You aren't debating. You're interjecting based on terrible premise. The OP didn't want to discuss. Never came back to do so. He just liked a few posts that agreed with him about wanting a sub.

That does even make sense. If I didn't notice what the thread was about, I wouldn't have posted that I prefer subs. (I'm sure you'll reply back and say, "See! You're saying EC needs a sub!" - That would just be floppy logic and assumption, again.)

No, you just didn't get it. You replied to a Darcey quote that was talking about the industry in general. You even quoted it yourself, so you knew it wasn't specifically about EC. That's when you made your "'market' (people )" post, but Darcey wasn't even talking about people. He was talking about the structure of the system. The main part of your post after that wasn't about EC, either. So, no... Wrong context on both accounts.

You're having the problem with semantics. You created your own view of what I meant which is self-serving. I directly stated what I meant, and explained it ad nauseam. That's why you never saw anything about me saying EC needs a sub. If I thought EC needed a sub, I would have posted it. You were mistaken.

You can't quit me!

Cutting to the chase:



This is THE context of this debate, whether you like it or not and no matter how hard you'll try to weasel out, it will stay the same.

I noticed that, it's useless to try, you're a real eternal nonsense spewing spam bot.

I'm not so sure about that. Planetside 2 is struggling with boredom.

http://sirisian.com/planetside2/population.php

I only play it every once in awhile because it's get so repetitive. Tower tag PvP. A lot of people complain about.

the only discussion is still about that: pay for alt.
we all don't understand what sense have "pay for alt" in EC.
there is only 2 methods for have alt outside from the main account:
case A i buy another account for an alt so i pay.
case B i use a f2p account (only if i play orks and the f2p don't have limitation) and have no sense to pay for a free account that exist for promotion.
the discussion is only about "take money from alt".

Wishing something was said so you can be "right" won't get ya anywhere, pork chop. Just makes the same, real answer keep clipping your chin.