"since we are not advertising at all [cut ]such an huge increase in the people buyng a funder pack, means that people are enjoing playng the game" how that can mean that they selling less founder pack?
Hmm, maybe I misunderstood him. But then why all the hurry with Steam EA? And still, people who are enjoying the game right now are mostly 40k fans, and the game being 40k is the main reason why people enjoy. So the fact that they are selling more Founder Packs(most of which are bought by 40k fans since this game isn't really known outside of the 40k communities) doesn't mean that the game is ready to be advertised to the wider(i.e non-40k fans) audience.
It may work out okay, and i'm being positive. Remember why ppl complained about Dayz, Killing Floor 2 and such, the thing which got them most frustrated about was the lack or slowness of update. So bE has 1 job, keep the updates going (bugfixes, optimization, new content, whatever), just keep the freaking game updated every 2 weeks and Steam reviewers may have better opinions of it. But if they decide to pull a Killing Floor 2 (AKA putting more cosmetics for sales out first) with EC, they're gonna have a bad time.
Those games were playable, though. EC is barely so. And there will be no optimization until later, so for at least several months the game will run like shit, so those content updates every 2 weeks are irrelevant.
Yeah, I think the idea that EA is always a bad thing is a false one. Look at things like Kerbal Space Program, GalCiv 3, Betrayer, Don't Starve, Prison Architect, Divnity: Original Sin, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Heroes and Generals...earnestly, yes, there's been some big flops in the EA list, but I think overall it's proven itself.
Yeah, EA can work and it did work. But EC is way too raw at the moment to be included. All of the games you mentioned were a lot more polished or simply weren't as complex to begin with when they launched. Sure, there is a possibility that people will ignore all the glaring issues, but I don't see how it's possible.
No matter what we say at the end of the day its a business and they most likely need the money to push development. The place could be burning down and they would try and say everything is fine because that's what companies do they are never going to say something they do is wrong. They are smart people and all I hope they do at this point is add a disclaimers onto steam like Dayz and give people fair warning of what they are getting into. And maybe instead of one of the trailers with bad voice acting showing a video of game play maybe a 2-3 minute video of Nathan, Brent and Katie explaining what we have now and the way we are heading into the future. No one is going to go on twitch and watch multiple hour long streams from the past. The best thing the dev team needs to do is be active as hell, one thing from steam is, if you have a buggy game and active devs that talk to them on steam they will get behind you.
This game is barely even a proof of concept for a 40k themed lobby shooter much less a working foundation for a 40k MMO with progression. I'm still fine with my unwise $120 purchase but that is because I was buying into a concept and an Alpha. If I payed 10 bucks for this on Early Access I'd be demanding a refund. Here is my two cents of anecdotes. The Early Access games I've bought into still haven't been finished years after the projected launch dates. The MMO community is unforgiving. I've watched too many good MMOs die due to botched launches. Early Access is akin to a commercial launch - at least on Steam. Another MMO I've bought into is already receiving flak and being abandoned (by the MMO community) for the new thing on the horizon and it isn't even in Alpha but the developers opened up what they were testing internally to backers as a sign of good faith. It is just a tech demo for a pre-alpha game but some see it as representative of the final product. I still have faith in it but it is no longer widely considered to be a contender on the horizon for its genre. If this wasn't a 40k game, you guys would be getting the John Smedley treatment. You sold us on technology you didn't have and the game is now being redeveloped from scratch. I have no idea how you've kept my and everyone else here's good will but the good will on Early Access games dried up a few years ago. Do what you need to do to get this game made and if that means you need more money, well you need more money (wait I thought this game was fully funded?). Just be aware that your tech demo that you have used to appease us isn't going to please people who are expecting at least a partially developed game.
Breaking my long silence for this thread. I am very concerned. Very concerned. As many others before me have pointed out, the steam community will not care. Many that do care about the game's state are the ones protesting against the decision to put it on EA. EA is a great concept, a concept that has been corrupted by twelve-year-olds who want a completed game and who do not have the mental capacity to understand the economics and philosophy behind EA. There are games that, as you have mentioned, lacked updates, but one EA game that I absolutely adore both for it's community and developers, gets weekly updates that strives for vast improvement of a poorly optimized, lagy, bug infested game. Each week, they add new features, bug fixes, and a large variety of content to keep the hungry masses of sophomoric Steam-folk from tearing the community apart. Do you know what happened? They wanted bigger updates, they wanted more bug fixes, they wanted a magic bullet update that fixes all of the problems all at once, and lacked the capacity to be patient for a game that was trying to use EA as intended. Each week when they did not get what they wanted (even when they did), they lash out at the devs, and sure enough, the YouTube comments and steam reviews become an amalgamation-abomination of ludicrous protest. More reviews kept popping up as people were not satisfied with the updates, updates that to them, make the game horrible and not worth the time or money. Slowly but surely the toxic atmosphere and disappointment from spoiled kids are tearing the community apart, with more and more negative reviews from people who did not get what they wanted from Santa. "How does what does this game have to do with a MMORPG based on the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium?" Because of the potential they both share, and the states that they are both currently in. When EC hits EA, we will people who have no idea what 40k is, wanting to play the game. They will scream and they will rant about playing a $40-60 incomplete lobby shooter that has nothing on the current F2P lobby shooters that are available on steam. They would expect to be playing a full Planet Side 2 game, just by reading the title alone, and when they are faced with what seems like a poorly planned out CoD with guys in big bulky armor that probably copied Star Craft? They will go on steam, and talk about how much of a rip-off the game is. They won't bother reading descriptions or watching the live streams, they probably won't even write their negative review with proper grammar. Most people I encounter on steam don't even know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'. As history points out time and again throughout the ages, appeasement can only go so far before conflict ensues. Give them an inch, and they will take a mile. Are these really the people you want to represent the game? I know I don't, and as the people here who are members of the founders program understand, these are the people who will try to defend the title, but in the end the reviews will get swamped by all the neigh-sayers. I never buy pre-order. I did so here with the $120 for my Captain's pack. I knew what I was getting into. The vultures we are letting in will not. I know that some of you will disagree... but if the vast majority of founders say it's a bad idea, then it might be wise to heed it. Nathan, I doubt you would read this plea... but I must insist on you reconsidering this action before it's too late. If there is no choice but to go with EA, then do so, but do so when the game is more developed. If you desperately need the money in the meantime, I know that we, the community can help provide. We want to see this project succeed. That's why when this project was initially announced, there were many skeptics. I was one of them. But with the passion of Miguel Caron, as well as the efforts of yourself, along with all the developers, you gained our trust. You guys gained the trust of the most skeptical, most angry, most pessimistic neck-beards of any fandom in existence, and you got them to believe in your dream of Eternal Crusade. 40k's IP history has been very turbulent, and to many, this is their last hope for a decent 40k game. Relic is out of the picture, THQ dissolved, and many 40k games have gone under. This is one of our best hopes for the continuation of our hobby. That is why there is much passion in these forums, why we are at each other's throats; all because we want to see this dream to succeed. If our worst fears do come to fruition, then this dream will just be remembered fondly by the participants of the current alpha. This is your passion too, you the developers who are making this game with all your heart. We want you guys to be able to work on this game for a long, long time. That is where this passion and fervor comes from. As this comment will probably be eaten up by the debates, and probably thread lock, I needed to take the opportunity to say this before it's too late. Don't rush, we have been patient this long, we can wait longer. Many on steam on the other hand are a different story.
