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Stealth Mechanics.

Discussion in 'Eldar' started by Exzelenz, Oct 19, 2013.

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SonOfLorgar SonOfLorgar Well-Known Member

Anshar said: ↑

It could be said dps only classes attract the lowlest of players, and many stealthers happen to be just that.
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You argue only to argue lol. How does this change or add in any way my statement? We get it , you wanna be stealthy n cool , no shame on that.

SonOfLorgar, Oct 19, 2013

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Anshar Anshar Master

SonOfLorgar said: ↑

You argue only to argue lol. How does this change or add in any way my statement? We get it , you wanna be stealthy n cool , no shame on that.
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Wasn't aware Warlocks were a stealth class. But you generalize an entire playerbase on a class trait which is silly, do more immature people take gank capable classes? Probably, but you only notice it when you're the one being camped.

Anshar, Oct 19, 2013

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OtoM Ultimaetus Subordinate

One problem is that there is word that Rangers aren't being put in.

Ultimaetus, Oct 19, 2013

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Anshar Anshar Master

Ultimaetus said: ↑

One problem is that there is word that Rangers aren't being put in.
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Last i saw from a mod was "snipers" likely, "scouts" were not.

Anshar, Oct 19, 2013

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Arvina Arvina Subordinate

Denetri Dominov said: ↑

Yeah, I completely support these ideas. Makes covert operations way more viable at night when it would be very difficult to see someone who was standing (crouching more than likely) in a chameleon cloak.

i.e. Like a Night Elf. Having the sound effect while standing near somebody in one would be mighty helpful detecting them as well.
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This is a very good point. A lot of mmo's have night-times that are barely darker than day-time.

If eternal crusade will have night times which are actually proper dark I will be one extremely happy bunny.

Arvina, Oct 19, 2013

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FireDemonJ99 FireDemonJ99 Subordinate

Exzelenz said: ↑

As Patrick mentioned before, there are no "push the button to become invisible" mechanics planned as for now. And that is very cool only under 1 condition - a lot of rendered terrain (and decent distance of terrain rendering, just like in Heroes and Generals, where stealth and positioning decide everything and bushes, grass and trees are the main tools to do so), which I can not really imagine in the same pool as large scale battles. Optimization kills most of the terrain most of the time, big and small.

I personally would love to lurk in bushes and ambush people, not just going in stealth by pushing a button.

Do you see the "natural" stealth happening and how do you think this will affect Eldar gameplay? Mostly Striking Scorpions and Rangers if they will make it to the game of course.
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I think it should be an upgrade, having a stealth cloak. But nothing makes you 'invisible' if you roll a one you still take a wound no matter what. I think it should increase transparency or at least take you off the HUD, targeting etc.

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FireDemonJ99, Oct 20, 2013

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Bjorn Hardrada Bjorn_Hardrada Well-Known Member

just paint it purple, then its invisible

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Bjorn_Hardrada, Oct 20, 2013

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Whiteshadow whiteshadow New Member

Quothe said: ↑

I was thinking about this the other day as the idea of only using 'natural stealth' doesn't really fit with the TT mechanics where this is specifically represented as cover. Actual stealth units seem to be displaying a degree of stealthiness far above the level of what the terrain affords in terms of concealment, though admittedly nowhere near true invisibility, but nevertheless this difference should be represented.
In trying to answer the problem of how to represent this without falling back on the cheap wow rogue 'invisi' stealth I came up with the following-

Stealth abilities could come in 4 main flavors.

Camo, Cameleon, Obscured and Stalking

Camo
This would be exactly what the name suggests, camoflage. It's basically just having armor roughly the colour of the terrain with outline breaking patterns and would be most commonly seen in Tao or Imperial Guard armies, it's freely available, but not very effective, though some units may take this to an extreme and have camo netting to help hide units and artillery.

Cameleon
This is the ability of a unit to dynamically change to match their surroundings and would appear as though part of the unit was a lower resolution version of the terrain behind them (possibly using the dynamic scaling for textures to achieve this). Basically this would make the unit very hard to see at a distance since the lower resolution textures would apply there, but pretty easy to spot up close. Naturally this is a far more effective form of stealth.
In the case of rangers only their cloaks and armor plates would have this effect, though when they activate sneak they try and cover themselves as fully with their cloaks as possible.
Lictors would have a form of this ability.

Obscured
Like the warlock power, smoke grenades or Harlequin holofields obscuring is a graphic effect (such as mist, darkness or smoke) that helps hide units inside the effect, especially at night.

Stalking
While not strictly stealth, stalking does help to augment a unit's ability to act stealthily.
Put simply every unit has a sound effect when moving that other players can hear, stalking units don't! Or at least are very quiet.
This is the kind of stealth you would find in Striking scorpions (which explains how they can infiltrate at the start of a battle, but gain no real benefits later), though other more stealthy units would also have this to augment their sneakitude

Edit- oops I misspelled cameleon as camelion lol
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Great ideas. I like Stalking, requires more skill. A single button stealth takes tactical skill away and replaces it with lazy mechanics. Another interesting stealth mechanic that could go with stalking is a distraction or diversion type ability. How would you utilized these abilities with Eldar units? Just curious for your opinion.

whiteshadow, Oct 20, 2013

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Farseer Urist SonOfKeuartoc Subordinate

Ultimaetus said: ↑

One problem is that there is word that Rangers aren't being put in.
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They wouldn't fit the game. As much fun as it would be, shooting the Mon'Keigh down before they knew you were there, the game is better off for it.

SonOfKeuartoc, Oct 20, 2013

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Carmine Exzelenz Cipher

I would disagree. Since Eldar are going to be all about guerilla tactics, they would fit pretty well.

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Exzelenz, Oct 20, 2013

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