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Stats for the Stats God: an overview of factions and maps in EC

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by vulpeslagopus, Sep 8, 2016.

  1. I'm not complaining either, I'm noting that a perfect 50/50 outcome doesn't necessarily mean things are balanced, because equal outcome doesn't mean there was equal opportunity, due to other factors.
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  2. Noia Noia Steam Early Access

    Awesome post. thanks for sharing. :)
  3. Giumbolo Simferius Confessor

    The maps' stats are terrible.
    They are very unbalanced and this means core design problems.
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  4. Shiani Brujah Preacher

    That depends on the sample size and whether confounding variables have been factored into the analysis.
  5. Delgear Steam Early Access

    Say what now?

    1) I am not complaining..
    You stated the data was incorrect just based on your preconceived desire for the data to be different when you don't know how many of your variables were or were not considered. you also posted a very one sided view of the possible problems with the data. aka only things that would make the data less favorable towards eldar and make them seem less of the win %. Mentioning none of the much more relevant data like who was actually fighting who the most, or number of players on maps for each faction throughout the match. You were too busy assuming everyone on your team was just "better" there are plenty of good players on every faction, there are plenty of average and bad players on each faction and quite honestly the average to bad players are going to make up the majority of each faction thats just how the internet works and large groups.

    3) You are the one complaining in yet another post it seems!
    Im not complaining, not directly ... im stating that my prediction last patch was 100% on the money, in faction balance, in class balance(players in each class). i then made another prediction about the state of the game for this patch. it may have come off as complaining because the LSM and Orks look to still be in the same situation they have been in for the last patch ..... i was simply stating that the status quo as far as balance got even worse, since one of the best and iconic weapons that even allowed the LSM to compete got nerfed, and a weapon they share with chaos got nerfed when thier win % was already garbage .... The Orks as a whole are still really incomplete so i see their situation maybe improving slightly but relatively staying the same. Im sure the countless threads of NERF THE LAST VIABLE LSM WEAPON(HB) will succeed and make the SM a completely unplayable faction, and the shuriken cannon will continue to do almost double damage in close range, and near to the same everywhere else while running around the map incredibly faster. Making observations based on the data in front of me and the effects the patch had on game isn't complaining.

    Maybe for some reason i just come off as brusque or something but generally if you really look at what im saying i try to come at things from a statistics/fluff/tested observation angle and i try to leave my loyalist JPA fanboyness out of it .... because lets face it no one else who isnt a loyalist JPA wants to see me jumping around duel wielding diomedes clones who also wield thunder hammers and have archeoteck laser eyes.
  6. Tarot NeonWeaver Steam Early Access

    Please, Delgear, stop using bold and use the quote tags... (my eyes) x__x.
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  7. Angelcy Angelcy Preacher

    I was giving examples and since I am playing Eldar, I used that to try and make my point. From what I read you seem to agree with me in terms that there are so many variables that possibly were not accounted for. I will say it yet once again, I was just trying to show that there are more than meet the eye.
  8. Delgear Steam Early Access

    its much easier to collect and respond to thoughts that way im sorry >.> it just makes infinitely more sense than making people constantly refer back to the old qoute to know what im answering.

    if the difference between regular text and bold text is hurting your eyes ... go see an optometrist that sounds serious.
  9. Delgear Steam Early Access

    i agree that there are a lot of other variables but in the great sea of the internet they mean a lot less than you think ... for every 1 of you there is 100 average joes/janes, and 100 bad players ... i think despite the statistics unaccounted for variables i imagine taking all these things into effect would change it very little.

    for those who play LSM nonstop in guilds its obvious how we got where we are at, hell Zoran the Bears last stream i watched highlighted he could move faster on the striking scorpion by constantly spamming fierce attack than he could running with sprint .... some of the bugs are so glaring and obvious advantages theres no way a serious testing crew would have let them slide ..... the new air attack vs eldar recovers so slow and does so little damage that you can get dbashed when landing a direct hit before you come out of it and they can then keep using dbash for permastun.
    DJ is getting 38 kill maps with dark reaper ? im just saying the writing has been on the wall for a while.

    how does with a dedicated team of testers a snipers retical come out to live at 2x the size of a firing storm bolter ?and even when you get it on target it doesnt hitscan properly ? and the bullets suddenly all spread even the first shot, aaaaand the mod that stops first recoil doesn't work. i mean thats a lot of noticable stuff on just one weapon that got through.

    my complaint isnt that LSM are too nerfed which is probably true my complaint is how does all this stuff get past the basic testing phase unnoticed ? floating boxes at a spawn point ? fierce attack on the back of an orc clanging ?
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  10. I need stats for Patch 23 please.

    I would love to see how things are going right now.
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