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State of Melee - March 14

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by BrentEllison, Mar 14, 2016.

  1. Construct_ Thraxus First Blood!

    Christ, poor Nurglings cant survive in Melee without 10 times the surviveability of everyone else? welcome to the war lad.

    Hate to quote myself, but:

    Yes, ofcause one class should be able to do everything.

    Actually lets just do away with all classes, give them all Jet Packs with Emprah Seals of Chaos Undevided, Storm Shields that inject the wielder periodically with Narthicium serum in one hand and Power Storm Laz Cannon Swords that clang homing Projectile Plasma Melta bombs that radiate waves of Multi Melta.

    Nobody likes the child who makes up a game with rules that suit his needs only. The rest of the playground just leaves and lets him get on with it lol.

    Ugh I hate what I sound like. The whole situation is ridiculous and deserves to be treated as such.

  2. With Lock On, if ur target is not stand still your camera litterally teleport, moving so quickly u cant understand anything at all.
  3. Sleepylion Sleepylion Well-Known Member

    You're completely wrong here. Like I said, the MoN isn't actually made to tank bullets, Shieldbro is much better at that than him anyway. His toughness is a characteristic that helps him get into melee range, if Jump Assault uses Jump Pack to get close, than MoN toughs his way in. Also, MoN is just gonna be an accessory anyway, that means every Chaos class is gonna have access to it, and its implementation differs from class to class, what you're seeing now is just 1 type of implementation.

    Also the idea that tank should only be tough and not have any damage is old schooled. Take a look at Dota 2, tank heroes in that game can deal a shit ton of damage, that's also a reason you want to kill them first. They technically tank by dealing a lot of damage, thus make enemies want to kill them.
  4. Construct_ Thraxus First Blood!

    No point in talking about Melee's gap bridging utility, its beside the point:

    Nurgling is still a Tank that does the same damage as a Glass Cannon Melee Dps that can cap, rendering Melee Dps and Tanks obsolete.

    Anyone that slots the Mark of Tank should have their damage reduced the same way a Sorcerer does: they do less Melee damage because they are healers the same as Apothecary does less Melee / bolter damage.

    Nurgling is built to take bolts, their not built to take plasma / melta / las cannon

    Shield bro is not this, they just have a shield they can put up to absorb non plasma / melta / las cannon rounds more efficiently walking painfully slow towards their target, soon as that shields down (which they need to or their just kited) their as squishy as any Air Assault (built from the same template, the same only more agile for gap bridging).

    The fact that all Chaos are going to be able to be tanks by equipping this mark is hilarious. Ranged Dps Tank / Healer Tank / Melee Dps Tank

    How to Asymmetrically balance this with purity seals? Who knows.

    But I'm 'wrong' so yeah.
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  5. Tarl68 TARL68 Arkhona Vanguard

    didnt they un-nerf the apoths bolt gun and chainsword recently?
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  6. "It is the year 41.998, my melee combat training forces me to rely on a maneuver that makes no logical sense in the mind of any dimwit and rarely helps me in the midst of war, I have questioned my reality, my existence, why am I here? What am I supposed to do? Has the Emperor forsaken me? Am I doomed to roll only 2 times? I was trained in all forms of combat, to be ready for anything.
    My eyes are far superior to a mortal's, I can look into the star above and see clearly with no trouble, my helmet once blessed by the Omnissiah would protect me from blinding light, as if the Emperor himself was with me. And yet, the slightest flash or glow or any kind of strain on my armor and my vision is obscured as if my eyes were being torn out of their sockets.
    I was taught how to strike my opponent with a heavy blow, but my master must not understand real war, when I hold my weapon tightly in my hand I am not suddenly stronger, nor am I when I throw myself onto my opponent leaving my body unprotected and striking down only to miss majority of the time. But this strange and foolish attack must be used, the only way to counter an enemy ducking in fear to only stand up and kick at me wildly, incredibly not falling onto their behind..
    Does my training not teach me to simply attack on an angle rather than chop horizontally? Of course it does, I was trained by lords of war, this was all taught to them through mellenia of war and death. So why do I fail? Why am I forsaken? I follow the guidance of my master, I spent hundreds of years training...
    This is why I question everything.. I do not wish to speak negatively of my superiors, my masters, in the name of the Emperor I will not betray my brothers... But would I? Would this be considered a betrayal? I merely wish to help my brothers in war to succeed..
    If we cannot fight with logic and with reason, why fight at all? My last encounter with a heretic almost cost me my life for I could not move.. I did not understand why, I am no coward, I know no fear.. and yet... I was stuck, my body would not respond..
    Me and my brothers cannot fight this war any longer, not like this.. Our basic training taught us nothing, we know how we need to fight, we know what needs to be done but nothing has changed, we are told that in time we will understand why we fight the way we do, but that time has yet to come.
    My brothers, we must stand together, in the emperors name we know what we must do."

    - Engalus Exam
    5th company: Dark Angels

    41.998
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  7. Sleepylion Sleepylion Well-Known Member

    You're criticizing the class mechanic due to a balance issue, that's why you're wrong. The MoN is never intended to be the master of all trades like it is now. He's just a class whose purpose is to carve his way into melee through sheer toughness. And for that purpose, he will have to sacrifice other things and utilities. But since the itemization is basically non-existent, MoN conveniently becomes the best class in the game, even though he's not meant to be so.

    Moreover, like I said, this game is not a RPG or MOBA, making a tank class whose sole role is to tank bullets is nonsensical.
  8. tanksin tanksin Recruit

    yeah they removed the 10% difference
  9. Why the hell is there a difference with the same weapons?

    That makes no sense...
  10. BrunoGrimaldi Mohax Active Member

    Why is it called mark of NURGLE anyway, because now its filling the Khorne shock troop role, just wondering.
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