Haha, how much would that suck. You're winding through a shaded pass to conduct a surprise assault on a Chaos position and suddenly you find yourself being ambushed from without and within as a covertly placed Alpha Legionnaire reveals you to the enemy.

Oh,Allfather,dat fanboys.As I said before:I have no prejudice to Ultramarines,I have no aim to offend them.their traditions and so on.I use them only as THE MAIN EXAMPLE OF EXTREMELY CODEXAL CHAPTER in the EC.Ok,I`ll try to explain my point one more times even with schemes.
Codex+traditions=Ultramarines
Codex+traditions+new name+colour=any other straight codex chapter
Codex+traditions+new name+colour+a bit specific tactics=any other specific(like IF,RG,Salamanders and so on)
So let`s reflect about EC.Do we need specific names and colour schemes?Not much.IMHO,tactical advantages of IF in game could not be realised(one more time - IMHO). So what we get?
IF-a bit specific tactics - any other straight codex chapter.

And one more time:I`m not offending your Ultramarines, I take them as an exapmle of highly devoted to Codex chapter.As the golden sample.Moreover, this was written in my post in other words,I stipulated RG being also ultramariny by myself,please,be attentive:

Know no Fear is so-so,Mark of Calth is cool,very cool.The Unremembered Emprie is bad.Crying primarch?Seriously?Moreover.Do not,please compare Ultramarines 30k and Ultramarines 40k.I`m not hater, I just don`t care.I`ve read a bit of McNeill`s Ultramarines, I`ve read lore of Iron Warriors lore with Ultras,so I just don`t care Ultras,not hating.
About this:

Well,you know,mister Calgar and Space Marine Codex in different editions wouldn`t agree with you:
"We follow the steps of Guilliman.As it is written in the codex, so shall it be" - Marneus Calgar. "Chapter Organisation".
"In the centuries since the Second Founding, the Ultramarines have venerated their Primarch and stuck to the precepts, regulations and tactical doctrines within the Codex Astartes as a priest adheres to scripture".

Seriously, it makes me laugh when Black Drozd tries to tell us that Crows are something more, than just one more Codex chapter with a bit of stealth-cream above.

They are organised by Codex, they fight by Codex (just using much more of the stealth-tactics, than others). Did they ever VIOLATED Codex rules?

Sincerelly, from this three chapters only Iron Hands are less codexal than any other. At least, their organisation. I would vote for Hands, if they could have any chance to win this vote.

Due to inapplicability of Fists siege warfare - devs approved that in the heart of all territories there will be citadels or forts, or any other fortified units. Loyalists need Chapter with special traits to assault enemy's forts and to protect their own. First of all, cause there are Iron Warriors on the other side with the same reflecting skills.

I've given up with Black Drozd.

He doesn't understand the implications that he is making or the value of the individual aspects that make up the Chapters. The subtleties and the nuances of culture and influence and the huge connections between Legion and Chapter that simply cannot be ignored, seem to escape him. He takes a couple of quotes and puts them up there on a pedestal, while disregarding a vast pool of literature simply because he doesn't like it, and all this on the basis of reasons like, 'ooh, it isn't manly to cry so Primarchs shouldn't do it.'

Another thing he can't seem to quite grasp is regurgitating tactical doctrine and using it to inform your actions. He seems to believe that the Codex Astartes is the foundation upon which the Ultramarines were built, as opposed to a system of tactical codification and reference that was introduced later and then grew alongside the Legion (and later the Chapter).

Worse than all that though, he thinks of the Chapters in an ascending order of depth, with the Ultramarines at the bottom of that with just, and I quote his very specific schemes, 'Codex+traditions=Ultramarines' and then adding on to that you get the rest of the Chapters in ascending order. He doesn't realise that with this mentality he is adhering solidly to the premature idea of Ultramarines being 'basic marines'.

Why he can't see the Chapters each in their own place is beyond me.

However I have tried to present logic and reason to him and elucidate my points to the extreme, and I thank those of you who read and agreed with my posts, but attempting to continue this with him will be like going in circles.

Let's move on to more progressive discussions.

I didn`t even try to say something like that.Moreover I said that RG are also codexal in my own post,so,please,don`t make my words upside down.I don`t care Codex,in general it`s quite good thing and without general rules army doesn`t exist.

Developers added Alpha-legion and loyal chapters need somebody neet to counterfight theiк activity,and, as we know,among loyalists kind-alike chapter is th RG.But,actually,you are right,it`s almost obvious that the RG won`t win.

No offence, Black, possibly, I didnt got your idea.

Onemore, did devs said smthing about stealth mechanics?

Oh my.I suppose,that you are not even trying to understand my point.You don`t like quotes of chapter-master,you don`t care writen pieces of codex,you make examples of literature you like,but forget about pieces,where Ultramarines received penalties for not being in line with general tactics of legion/chapter(yeap,remember Nick Kyme 'Censure' from HH) and some examples(don`t remember th precise name of the novell and the book) from 40k.You don`t mind it,but you mind literature with crying primarchs.Ok-ok.

Ehm,Codex Astartes regulates ALL aspects of chapter organisation and tactics on the batllefield.You say anything but the legion of Ultramarines and the chapter of ultramarines are two different things, and I`ve shown you quotations from primary lore of codexes,that shows that "nowadays" Ultramrines obbey the Codex in ALL ascpects of their live.Ultamarines did not rebuild the Codex for themselves,the Codex rebuilt Ultramarines(legion) into the way that Guilliman want.And the Space Marine codex clearly says that they almost pray or this book,but don`t forget codexes for tabletop has more power than literature from BL.

Oh,Allfather, why couldn`t you grasp the easiest point?Noone cares any traditions,oathes,culture and colours of chapters in connections with this particularly game.All of it doesn`t matter at all.But weapons,tactics,vessels,special units,peculiarities of marine specific skills DOES matter in this game.I don`t care that Blood Angels drink blood,I care,how it would help me in fight.I don`t care that RG have 10 companies and how they obbey the Codex on Deliverance,I care,how would their stealth possibilities and tactics help to kill enemy in the game.I don`t care,where on the Phalanx the Gauntlet of Pain is situated, I care,how their fortification skills would help me,hiding near a metall case(my IMHO easier and more intersting for players is to realise in game RG specific tactics and abilities and that`s all,no offence to Ultramarines,no offence to Imperial Fists and Iron Hands,just that point).That is the point.In general,all Codexal Chapters without their SPECIAL hints would fight in absolute accordance with the Codex.And the first chapter to do like are Ultramarines,but the problem is,that the Codex is their peculiarity.Delete RG`s stealth,delete hit-and-run,delete specific vessels and mental and physical technics of Mor Deithan and what you will see?Chapter fighting in obbedience with the Codex.Chapter fighting like Ultramarines.Is it bad?No.Are the Ultramarines bed because of Codex?NO.Does it make them intersting to add in game?Totally no,cause we already have chapter,fighting like this.

But, let`s stop this arguing,I see you not even trying to understand my point of view.

In short, you don't care about WH40K, you just want to play a reskin of Planetside 2.

Only some points: general promiss to add scouts with low visibility of actions, and active camouflage for eldars,however there was no precise information.

Nope,I care 40k,I pray for not having Planestide fails in the EC(like having 5 types of machine-guns with stats which differs for 1 point.But,yeah,here you are this is differnet machine-gun,with that kind of magasine and don`t look like an idiot at that machine-gun,they are totally different,they even sound different: pouh-pouh-pouh and pew-pew-pew). And yeap,I`m quite pessimistic prophet,but I suppose,that we will get Planetsided version of WH40K:Space Marine.