Typical spoiled LSM only talking and desiring reactions about nerfing others just to pump their own ego in conversations. Rarely if not never there isn't a LSM post complaining about others while acting like they agree on some things just to not seem like a spoiled, immature little brat who won't stop ranting because hey, I'm a special kind of person, I know how to hold an actual conversation and use the correct arguments, etc etc... while anything that comes out is nothing more than blabla nerf [insert other faction here] blablabla... This community/game will never change.
Nice strawmanning but I think you see my point through your clouded vision. In essence don't comment on how to balance a weapon when you have very little knowledge on how it compares to something you want it balanced against. As to me being the only negative/not happy about a nerf without more thought poster, I'm not seeing it; So now I've shown that to be a load of bull I'll also mention this - the majority of people agreeing with you to nerf the weapon aren't Ork players. There's a big surprise. Nice try Remo. Apologies for all the quotes peeps. E - here's another quote for you, I wouldn't call this "in agreement".
Quite a few of those weren't negative to the idea of removing suppression from the Ace Dakka and a select few were obviously sarcasm, which you failed to pick up on. Also you need to stop using the term "strawman", you might want to go read up on what it actually is. By the way, you don't dismiss me. Saying "Nice try Remo" and mic dropping doesn't work with me. By the way, if you dislike that there are non-ork players being for the removal of suppression from the Ace Dakka. I assume you'll be fine if we remove all Ork related negative responses to the idea as well? I thought not. PS: Who taught you how to debate, you are not suited for it at all. Also, while you're looking up the Strawman Fallacy, do look up the "Fallacy Fallacy". No, nobody plays Orks but Orks, anyone who brings negative commentary about Orks don't even have Ork characters. That includes me, a guy who has always had more games on his Ork than on his Space Marine.
oh god would you both just shut the hell up about this already, I'm sick of seeing these damn threads every which way since the fucking AC got nerfed. I WANT THE AD BALANCED, NOT NERFED, I WANT THAT FER ALL WEAPONS, I want it to get something for what it loses like balancing should do. yes ill agree that right now the AC is overpreforming but againsts other weapons from heavies its our best option because of how fucking annoying shooting the dakka deffgun really is to me, hell i like the plasma deffgun more than the DDeffgun for suppressing people, but that's also because everyone and their damn mother is stacking defensive traits to eb walkign tanks after the new pen/toughness runs. go ahead remove the suppresion from AD but make it a more expensice AC then, like that one Asyran git said. OR make it as it is, and just make it shoot faster for considerable less damage. im tired of seeing everyones stuff, even my own orks, getting straight buff or straight nerf. It's infuriating that its called balance because all it simply does is make one side have an easier time while the other has absolute hell for the next 3 months. also the only reason orks want to keep the AC for what it is, is because some of the stuff we were promised YEARS AGO ARE STILL NOT IN YET, where is my looted bolter or power armor? or my burna? or the bikes fer everyone? or my actual fucking orks that arn't even a pure ranged faction like most run right now, or a pure melee faction as Brent wanted to make them, which i honestly hate the very thought of to this day! because orks arn't this one thing, they have something FOR EVERYTHING! HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY ACTUALLY BEAT THE NECRONS! I'm sorry for throwing off rage but by the Gods this community gets tighter and tighter around its own 4 troats by the day and it need to stop, its like all the factions had a bad robbery and now they're all insulting eachother, saying the other factions did it, until the lines get too tight and it turns into straight 4-way murder! lets take a step back and actually think this out. If the AD got its surrpession removed, or got a nerf in any which way, what could be a possible gain from it to make it still used, because if this gun got straight nerfed every loota would just grab the plasma deffgun and the kannon and then you wouldn't see a difference.
Ok so this thread dies I decided to sit down and just start balancing shit in my head and doing math and all that other nerdy shit.... Anyway I came up with these changes. http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/thr...nnon-ace-dakka-and-kannon.64527/#post-1437657 I warn you it's a wall of text but if you read it you'll see that the weapons would keep the current killing potential but the damage per shot would be drastically lower so that while they hurt really bad you could still react... I came up with those changes factoring in penetration,recoil,spread per shot and it took quiet a few hours. As far as the kannon change I stated there but yes the kannon is currently a little to good... It out classes the napalm kannon and I feel it should be mainly anti infantry with low AV damage so it doesn't stomp on the ZZaps toes. The suggestion would keep it as mainly a anti infantry weapon but it would function much more like the plasma cannon does right now with good anti infantry and low av damage. This would also make it so that the napalm kannon is finally just a side grade to the kannon. *edit* I also did the math and came up with new numbers for the auto cannon including abbadons grace.
Yeah im totally not an ork player (watches signature, text in the signature: german ORK clan with the name RuffMEKZ and profile pic with an ork skull... Edit: and i never said to nerf the Ace Dakka, i just said that the HB suppresses a Loota way to much... so error please read again
Yea I've noticed this as well the loota when suppressed gets to look directly at the sky while on my chaos a hb only makes me kinda jog around a bit.. I feel like it's a bug.
