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Question from a Chaos Player about Abbadons Disgrace

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by DrDooManiC, Oct 11, 2016.

  1. Lleu Bleiz Active Member

    Yep, on the other side of the cannon , it feel like some shots that should have missed you still hit. But It nice to fight chaos when they use this weapon instead of the plasma.
    It's hurt a lot but is not like they could blow a squad with a lucky shot through a window or ignore cover or just spam the objectives. It's just weird some time you can dodge in melee and flank while you are still getting hit.

    It's a fine weapon they shouldn't change it. Even if most of the time I want to take the AC, put it in their throat and push until it go out from the other side.

    (And I don't play chaos at all, so it's only from the perspective of a target:p)
  2. Alexandrix Alexandrix Arkhona Vanguard

    Eh,there are definitely worse offenders in the game than AG.
    I'd rather go up against a group spamming AG's than plasma cannons any day of the week.

    At least the guy with the AG had to aim and hit me.plasma cannon guy can just land a super charged plasma somewhere within a 2 block radius and turn people into bits.

    Invisible,insta gibbing,plasma spam bullshittery is cancer+super aids combined.
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  3. Plasma is definitely WAY worse.
  4. Kalenath Kalenath Subordinate

    Mainly because there are a HELL of a lot MORE people WITH plasma weapons of various kinds. Plasma pistol overcharge is insane damage, let alone rifle and cannon.

    But yeah, plasma cannon spam is a pain in the ass and unfun.
  5. I don't get the hubbub about AG.

    AC kills you in 3 hits, AG kills you in 3 hits. The pathetic fire DoT is just overkill and there for particle effects.
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  6. Alexandrix Alexandrix Arkhona Vanguard

    Yea,so many friggin plasma cannoneers running around.
    I notice it a lot more when i'm playing my chaos character.I swear LSM do nothing BUT spam plasma cannons.Yea,chaos uses them too sometimes,but not even remotely close to the same extent.Probably because LSM have fewer viable options i suppose.

    The pistol and gun variants i honestly don't mind.they actually have to hit you(or very very close to you) to do anything.even if they do hit you head on,the damage isn't exactly devastating.the stun is worse than the damage really.

    I'd rather not see pistols and guns get caught in the nerf hammer smash along with cannons.The tac marines have so few decent options as it is,and the pistols/guns already have their own drawbacks.
  7. Delgear Steam Early Access

    the primary problem with AG is in my opinion the following ::
    Flak is way too good as a trait .... its way too good at hitting JPA's the theoretical counter to heavy weapons .... it basically stops the counter to the class using it so the class then has almost no counter. flak also as a JPA in one shot knocks you out of flight so you CANT dodge any of the other shots.

    Abadons grace against LSM who have no real LP efficient defense gear i have indeed been one shotted by AG the first hit left me at about 25% hp and armor down and then the dot did the rest before i could finish the medkit animation the worst part is the player that did this was aiming at someone else see the aforementioned flak complaint.

    the AC ALSO functions fine against vehicles, and turrets, and everything..... its literally a complete solve all with no viable counter save plasma and ill get to that in a second.

    YES the PC can also one shot ... the pc has a chargeup time, the pc requires you to aim fairly accurately, or in the case of its counter a jpa INCREDIBLY ACCURATELY, the AC does not have this disadvantage, it also theoretically when it renders the plasma ball has a travel time and is dodgeable does that mean the PC is balanced ? No ide say not ... but it certainly doesn't do anything the reaper launcher cant do better and chaos also has plasma and i would assume orks will soon get a plasma cannon that works the same.

    if you want to cite the PC as a reason abadons grace should be allowed to be op i can't help you ... one broken weapon doesn't mean another is fine, i shed 0 tears when RoF was nerfed i was as happy as any non LSM player i was tired of watching wolf priest replace me as a JPA entirely and shred me on leader boards for kills alone while i get preserver by using a few medkits in a game with 3-4 apoth because they don't stop to heal they are too busy assaulting points alone while still also being a competent healer.
  8. Thuldarn Gaan_Cathal Well-Known Member

    There are builds for which moving from AC to AG shortens TTK by a hit, I am 90% certain.
  9. Galen Galen Arkhona Vanguard

    Such as?
  10. ...how? You can't mod it(to my knowledge) and there's no mods in the game that increase damage for ranged weapons anyway.

    TTK is probably 2 hits if they're headshots at 12M or under. It's damage goes up quite a bit in that zone.

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