I am actualy a level 4 LSM and i would like to confront the gear between this faction and the others. For a detailed scheme read http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/weapon-options-mkii-and-toughness.60943/ This will be only a summary and a stream of toughts Check this out too http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/ttk-and-weapon-stats.62649/ Primary light weapons + LSM have: -Bolter (5.5 shots per sec, 100 meters, 30 optimal, damage 38/28, DPS 209/154 ), -Plasma, -Meltagun, -Gravgun, -Stormbolter -Stalker (sniper rifle) + CSM have the SAME weapons except the Grav and the Stalker + ORKS have: -Shoota (less optimal range: 20 m,an higher fire rate:8 shots per sec ,bigger mag :60 instead of 30, plus,slightly higher recoil, damage 28/19 DPS 224/152), -Big Shoota - Rockets ( rocket launcher) N.B. LSM Bolter modded with cqc barrel get the same optimal range,increase dps to 232 + ELDAR have: -Shurikans (minor damage :20/13 , and minor range:80 m, optimal 12m, but almost totally lack of recoil, 55 mags, and very high fire speed 750rpm 12.5 shots per sec)consist in a DPS 250/162), -Twin Linked Shurikans; -Fusion Rifle (the Fire Dragons only) that is identic to a Marine`s Meltagun Knives - LSM,CSM and ORKS have 79 fast damage, 134 heavy , 100 penetration -ELDAR: 94 fast, 160 heavy , 100 penetration (120 the unique one droppable) N.B. The LSM Mercy Stroke Narthecium (RTC shop only),and the Wolf Priest`s Nartecium has the same stats of the ELDAR KNIFE, with poison N.B.B. The Ork Painboy melee weapon also has the same damage as the Eldar Knife (but again with poison). Melee Weapons - Chainsaw Swords (LSM and CSM), - Psy Swords (CSM), -Warlok Sword (ELDARS) -Choppas (ORKS) Those items have all the same stats 100 fast, 170 heavy, 100 penetration N.B. Psy increase the penetration and damage after unlocking in the "Advancements" a trait (Force is a spell that can be equipped by warlocks and sorcerers, taking their offensive / secondary power slot which temporarily, and at the cost of warp charge, increases their weapons damage. It is not a bonus that is passively gained simply by being unlocked.) - Scorpion`s chainsaw sword (ELDAR) do 113 fast dam, 192 heavy, 100 pen - Banshee start with a powered sword 113 fast,192 heavy,120 pen (and it is the strongest powered sword among all the factions) - Warlocks unlock Croneblade( +25 Psy Charge but less damage) - no precise data- N.B The LSM`s Wolf Priest of the Space Wolves, start with a Powered Mace -LSM factions can even use powered swords,powmauls, axes, power fists (more damage but slower) -CSM get Force Axes, Chain Axes -ORKS haz the entire clusterfuck of melee weaponz like non-powered mauls, choppas and chain choppas statistically the same Shields Only LSM (100 armor) and ORKS (60) Secondary Weapons +LSM have: -Bolters, -Plama -Grav handgun (inflict slow 35% on infantry, 50% on vehicles) + CSM have: -Bolters -Plasma handgun + ORKS have: -a semiautomatic pistol (dakka slugga), -an automatic (zip slugga, same RPM of an ELDAR rifle), -a revolver (six-shotta), -a pocket Rocket Launcher , -a Painboy`s only weapon that inflict ranged poison + ELDAR:can equip: - Shurikan pistols - a pocket Fusion Pistol (same damage of the LSM-CSM Melta Primary weapon but with a range of 10 meters instead of 20) Debuffing Weapons + LSM have: -Melta rifle (inflict Melting/Burning debuff 2 heat with low range: 15m), --melta pistol --- melta Cannons (inflict Melting/Burning debuff 3 range: 30m), -Grav rifle (slow 35% infantry/ 50% vehicles) -- grav pistol (same of rifle) --- grav Cannon (cannon slow 35% / 75% ), -Servo Skull (increase damage dealt to enemies in a small area,replace granade), N.B. poison attachment for Apothecaries` Narthecium + CSM have: -Sorcerer`s warp magic debuffes (increase damage dealt to an enemy like servo skull), - Sorcerer`s poison spell, -Bile Granade -Necrotic Chainsaw Swords, -Abbadon Grace (RTC only, automatic cannon up to 100m, inflict heat 5 burning), -Plague Knife + ORKS have: - Painboy`s pistol (poison) - Painboy`s melee weapon (poison 33) - poison granade - burning choppa -Deffgun Napalm + ELDARS have : - sunrifle: (a general "blinding effect") -Fusion Rifle (melting/burning effect) -- Fusion Pistol - warloks`powers which buff allies/debuff enemies (no precise data at the moment) AOE weapons (correction needed) +LSM can throw : - standard granade, -servo skulls (read above), - melta bomb (gonna place it,not throw away), - healing granades (less Cooldown and less duration)/apotechary signal (more duration but long cooldwon) -Crack granades (bundle of 2) + CSM have: -standard granades, -melta granades, -necrotic granades -crack granade(single) -Warp Spell (Diamond Bolt) remote controlled + ORKS have: -standard granades -incendiary granades throwed by the Deffgun, -poison granade -an healing signal (slighty bigger than the apotechary`s one) + ELDAR have: -Plasma Granades (up to 2), - a Reaper Launcher (Missile remote controlled) - a granade launcher (Tempest Launcher) Stats -LSM 200 hp - 100 armor (140 ground assault,75 apotechary and jetpack) - 100 toughness -CSM same of LSM -ORKS 225 hp - 100 armor (75 stormboy, 120 skugga, 50 painboy) - 100 toughness -ELDAR 150 hp - armor 100 (scorpion), 80 (Banshee), 75 (Dire avenger), 115 (Fire Dragon),135 (Dark Reaper), 75 (the other two) Conclusions TLDR 1) Eldar`s flying unit can reach places inaccessible buy the other factions`s flying units due to the stationary fly Beside they can equip a ranged rifle weapon (other factions go melee) 2) Eldar and ORKS troops transport can damage vehicles (marines cannot) 3)using a troop transport, an Eldar pilot can shoots a second cannon, aiding the one controlling the turret, beside they are very agile N.B. they are the only vehicles with a FRONTAL WEAKSPOT and they only have 60 % HP compared to the Rhino 4) Every chapter should have a different peculiarity like the Space Wolves have - and every subfaction- (quotation needed) And finally: what is the peculiarity of the LSM? Shouldn`t we excel in something like the other factions do? - This sentence carry most of the comments below- Please give me your opinion and help me understand (baka xenos!) My thanks to AbyssalGambler for aiding me writing this article, and for playing with me on the battlefield Edit and corrections reported - corrected the mispronunce about the plural of Eldar - Hell`s Breach (RTC only plasma) does not INFLICT BURNING - ORKS poison granade does not heals allies - removed the sentence : Orks can wear a Gob(jaw) with the additional armor, resulting in an incredible increase of hp and armor value:shoota rank 5 can reach extra 30 armor-30 tough (heavy armor) plus 20 hp-30 armor-30 toughness(gob) - removed : Marines does not have mortar weapons. It seems the plasma has a mortar mode but i didn`t experimented yet - corrected Orks base health (typing error) - the golden kitty has returned home Uh a joy - crack granades seems to do more damage tham the plama ones - removed grav gun saltiness - made some order for easier consultation
No. I would argue that LSM shouldn't excel in any one area. As your list makes very aparent, LSM can do everything. They have the widest selection of tools, their base weapon is the best, you have two capping classes. You have every bit of gear and the chance to field the widest selection of tools. I notice that you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Eldar having stronger knives and swords. That is something that has been adressed a number of times. You will notice that we do not have the option of axes,mauls and power fists. Eldar in both fluff and in game do one thing to the exclusion of all others. So they do it the best with specialised units. The downside being unless you have every part of the puzzle we cannot paint a picture. Space marines on the other hand. You can run into a point after destroying a tank and capture it. You can drop ontop of a gunline with a jpa and kill everyone then run onto the point and cap. You can field nearly every weapon in game, have every tool available to you. So no. Jack of all trades is a master of none. (Swift edit. By classes I mean loudouts as in a melee and a ranged option. It has also been pointed out that lsm jpa cannot cap so my bad on that.)
Slight correction LSM has 1 capper like Eldar, their ground assaults shields however is a great asset in return imo. Thread may continue
Sorry! Badly worded. Class as in... eurgh words.. loudout? They have a melee and a ranged option when capping.
No, their JPA can't cap, their only capping class is the Tactical Marine, you're mistaking them with the CSM where their GA can cap. What the LSM have is a massively inflated baseline on their weapons and stupidly strong supports (which bites them in the arse because they often field too many Apos and lack people to start caps). They also have some of the strongest tactical weaponary (grav guns) that when applied in teamplay make short work of everything thrown at them (and specifically negating the one true advantage Eldar have over LSM). They also have the least hassle applying their support stuff. Servo skull, healing beacons (both of which require quite some attention to get rid of) can all be thrown down and parallelize their support. They can shoot a lot more where other faction supports have to concentrate on one or the other. Oh, and Stalker Cannon. Pampered faction.
Plasma Cannon is the best mortar in game, shared with Chaos' version, due to being able to snap shot so making defending yourself as a Heavy easier. No snap on Tempest or Deff Kannon. Press X to switch mode next time you take a PC out and your mortar mode is there. Wrecks on Ronan if you get your positioning right.
