But in all seriousness the only time chaos really uses ac is when they are playing defensive maps for the most part of my games I only ever see 2-3 people with it most games. Wait till we get rottery cannons
The dot is pretty irrelevant, the dps might be the same but that doesn't really tell the whole story. Using tyranids as test dummies, Headshot 266 damage, body shot 123 point blank. Total 389 damage, kills anyone but some veterans. That is a kill time of 0,34 seconds. Now the HB does on the same target 65 headshot and 30 body, in order to achieve the same damage ( actually less due to no dot) as the AC you need five headshots in a row. That is 0.4sec kill time 0.3 if only 325 damage is required.
as can be seen here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...bJkrtzTbj1BUNxz71Y19UYajA/edit#gid=1074860565 2 headshots is 0.7 sec of TTK.(point-blank + tough target) 0.6s for HB
I agree with OP, this is unacceptable. That is almost 100 more damage for chaos, learn to read people.
I've heard that SM armor values are greater but do they really have stronger Bolters? I've seen them actually ask for that nonsense.
So... The AC is stronger than an HB in my opinion, in it's own way. So, if it were just that, yeah I'd be on board with being displeased at the AC. Now, if the LSM were the only ones who had the PC, and the CSM only had the AC (like TT), then I'd be ok as both factions would have their own thing. But, both the LSM and CSM had the PC, and the CSM had the AC, which was kinda...iffy. Now though, the LSM has the Grav Cannon, and the CSM has the AC...seems pretty equal to me. If anything, the problem isn't the AC, it's the HB being too...lackluster. Raw damage aside, the stats and mechanics of the HB are like puzzle pieces that don't fit together. It just feels...off. In addition, it again isn't the AC...it's the AC spam (just like any faction's spam of their preferred fotm weapon). Hopefully after they work on the LP system a bit, specialist weapons won't be so easily spammed, for all the factions.
Dude, you compare a heavy bolter to an autocannon, wtf... Besides not like Eldar or Orks get everything else that's 10 times better than what SM OR CSM got!
HB is beyond great. Its obviously should not be played like a bolter, but i find it be just on par with AC, a tiny bit less killy on long ranges but supressing. Its not even spam problem. If class counters work well, spam should not be an issue. And natural counters for havocs are JA. A little food for thought here, though. Increasing LP issues would, sadly, hardly solve anything. Like, if it fits on a naked marine it will still be killy. Lack of loadout options makes LP penalties not that much penalizing.
