The idea came from this post:

http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/what-would-be-a-dealbreaker-for-you.3634/page-10#post-207522

I intended to reply as followed beneath, but found it should be in an own Thread. So I made this thread. Let me know what you think, and if you hate philosophy and the people who do it.... Please make it easier for everyone and just do not reply, thank you.

In my opinion there are already far to many forces trying to make the entire world "G" rated. Everything from the Super Bowl half time show (and Super Bowl commercials!) to games/TV are put under a microscope to ensure it doesn't corrupt kids! Yes, some of the push is from feminists and the like that try to control what everyone is able to watch, but there are plenty of people that just like to make the entire world kid friendly too.

Obviously, technology is thwarting these obsessive controllers to a certain extant. Shows like Spartacus and Games of Thrones are hugely popular despite the fact that they are made for adults and are totally unsuitable for kids. This doesn't stop some people from trying to censor these hits.

I see no reason why a game like 40K should cave to the controllers. The game developers should let the game be as wild and crazy as the 40K universe!

I have two children and only allow them to play/watch what is appropriate for their age.

The question is rather: Should everything be universal-friendly?

You know to broaden your horizon you must face that what you dislike.

You are like anti-religion? Well, then go and inform yourself about the different religions. Do not hate or dislike without trying to experience what the followers do.

You do not like Racing Games? Buy one which has very excellent reviews and try it out, play it excessively and try to master it and try to understand what people like about it.

You think that children and teenagers shoot others because of ego-shooters (and perhaps have never played a shooter before), well then try a shooter game out yourself and see if it makes you want to get a gun and kill others or at least try to understand what those children and teenagers did outside of the game, how did they even get a gun in the first place.

You gotta confront your dislikes, that is what learning and understanding is about.

What I try to say?

I think it is wrong trying to make everything female friendly and child-friendly. There are topics and things that are for a specific group but the internet connects us so strong with all media and individuals that everyone thinks it has to be loved by everyone. Look into the EC forum alone, the 'Female Characters' thread. There Feminism was also discussed or if Lore should be broken or not just to add female characters because that is how the world changes.

But that is NOT the point. The point is that in universes and events you put those characters in those positions and so on because you try to say something, to picture something.

Do you think Nathaniel the wise could had been a woman? HELL NO. Rome or Juliet with a homosexual couple? NOT TO THE TIME IT WAS MADE. Hamlet a woman? NO. James Bond a woman? Also not the time it had been written or what the genre depicted already.

1. Main Fans of Wh40k when it emerged were Men, now there might be more females as trends are changing. But Men still are main aim as they just love Wargames and the dark setting and all that. (I doubt there are many female gamers also in Dark Souls which has a similar setting like WH Fantasy)

2. Each piece of book, game, movie is art. Art wants to show us something, teach us something, something very specific. Sometimes we think in movies 'what if it had been this way' but it was not that way because whoever made the movie had a target, a goal, a picture to show us which we should learn from. (look at Soldier Ryan or what the movie name was, look at Forrest Gump, look at Crime-Investigation and Thriller series and movies)

3. And Wh40k falls in the same view. It is a theory of how a future filled with despair, honor, fear, power struggle, etc. can work like and shows us many factions in different forms. The Space Marines are not all male because GW hates females, for that you got the Eldar and Adeptus Sororitas which are mainly female or even unique females like Commander Shadowsun.

3.1 The Space Marines are men because to have such bulky female would irritate us, we cannot imagine it other than on Amazons and even there if we look to DC Universe where they have Wonderwoman they are still rather slim, despite their huge powers, while Superman has huge muscles and has similar strength.


Bottom Line: SHOULD we try to make everything friendly for everyone? Certainly not. Because then we cannot imagine to be in one another's body anymore. Every person, every life, every situation is unique. And so is Art and all it surrounds. Be it Videogames, Movies, Paintings or a book.

Honestly, kids will get more messed up by going to school and learning that the world a dark and evil place more than them playing video games.... So it comes down to the age old question do you wanna be part of a gang or a gaming clan? :3 Tzeentch gives me a distorted view of reality so i just tend to act crazy because someones gotta

The world is what it is, those who choose to see it through blinkered eyes do not change the world only their own world view.

Any parent will tell you that the worst word you can use to a child is NO!, its authoritarian bark evokes a fear response in the immediate term but fails to explain the reasons behind the prohibition and engenders the aura of the forbidden to the subject in question.
Everyone is drawn to the forbidden since curiosity is the mother of learning and we are in our very core a learning animal. For example (again using the child subject) the most common question and a word every parent learns to secretly dread over time is WHY?

Morales and values are things we develop and refine over time as we experience. Forcing these morales or values on a subject that has not yet experienced for themselves or already has their own set of morales and values, is a flawed premise.

Now am I suggesting that we shouldn't attempt any levels of protection for the inexperienced or those who choose not to experience? Of course I'm not.

I do believe that there enough protective measures already in place in todays society that the inexperienced or non-experiencer can usually either avoid having to interact with the subjects entirely or interact in a controlled manner.

I firmly believe though that both censorship and prohibition of experience is a self defeating endeavour.

Who amongst us have never done something we were expressly forbidden to do?
Has never sought out that which we were told to avoid?
And who amongst us has not usually learned from such experiences and in doing so grown wiser?

Ultimately we are the sum collection of our life experiences and how we have interperated them, no two people are the same as no two people ever experience or interperate life the same.
So how can someone else possibly know what is right for you to experience or not, or manage to explain it in such a way that the experience is itself no longer conducive for learning.