Sorry man, but I had to let everyone know. It just didn't sit right with me, as much as I love the free 80 kill streaks. It even aims for you, to boot. It's like having a powersword that shoots powerswords.
So for you to make use of that pay weapon at the beginning of the game, so Rank 1 to say 3, you can't fill out your loadout, so if you choose to use a pay weapon you have to forgo using a maxed out default loadout. So lets use the Marine you mentioned, if you want any of the pay bolters then you are using a custom loadout which you can't max out, not even close at Rank 1. So for a little advantage of a pay Bolter you are giving up double grenade, the +25 armor wargear, armor regen 30%, and then the additional trinkets and ammo. Your pay Bolter does no more damage, but has a very slight bonus on recoil + some mod that really doesn't equate to much. I would even go on a limb to say that you are losing out in this trade off hands down as the Bolter just won't give you very much for what your getting. Then when you are coming up towards Rank 4 you probably will have the mods for Bolter, along with MC Bolter, combined it easily outshines the pay Bolter. So now the pay gun is of less value to you as you also have enough stuff unlocked to build out to 1000 and accommodate your playstyle for the Bolter. So to use any of the pay guns at any stage is really a loss for you. At no point in your progression are they a benefit to you. Being a founder changes nothing in this regard for you. There may be the odd exception for weapon that I'm not thinking of but overall they are pay to fail weapons. They just look bling. This also applies to all classes, and with the defaults you have 1000 LP loadouts where as even at Rank 3, maybe 4 you won't have that. It also doesn't change that the standard cannon still has the same TTK as the AG one. I find that for most Dev builds I've seen, they always take the best gun they can as there is little else more valuable, hence why I think we see the AG more than the standard. Lastly, I've seen no RTC weapon that has managed to give any significant amount of players any real advantage over the others in this game, as I'm pretty sure they aren't performing with any real noticeable gain over the other non RTC weapons. So anyone claiming this game has any pay to win when there is literally no real advantage or noticeable gain has an aternative motive for saying that or is just uninformed. Because to spend your time to put such a label on a game means you think there is a noticeable advantage.
Intresting convo I love the arguments its constructive. Maby I need to create more posts on iffy subject just to let us argue it out. Alright everyone I have been told by our God Nathan if you leave me a like we will get full tatical dreadnought armor with exterminatius missles on next patching the rtc and it won't be p2w! like up!
I think you greatly over-estimate the value of the RTC weapons and their performance over basic weapons of it's class. As well if you think default loadouts is crap, I would have to disagree with you there as a new player will benefit far more from the default loadouts then they will from a very minor recoil reduction and x mod but have less effective health and utility.
The preset of the tactical classes at least is shit though.Or at least it seems so for marine factions and orks.Dunno about eldar.
