Orks need an AV option similar to the melta, that's for sure. It's crazy how bad the rokkit is compared to the melta. Possibly just upping the rocket's damage against vehicles substantially would be enough.
If all other factions can have a single player take out a vehicle in ten seconds with no issue, then we should have the same ability, whatever design it is. Double AV grenades, have ammo boxes refill grenades, a burna, hell, a damn insta-kill tankhammer if it means we can take out vehicles like EVERY OTHER FACTION.
As DROX OF DLB orkz have alot of unique and exiting weapons! that no one elss gets! the Kannon Deffgun is literally a vindicator on legs The Rodeo shootah.... is like two storm bolters in one. like holy hell POISON GRENADES!!! c: i mean i could go on, but orks do have a lot of good things
How exactly did you get those stats of yours? The Kannon deffgun is a way way worse version of a PC and a marginally worse version of a reaper cannon. The rodeo shootah is well, around par with a combi bolter or stormbolter with a recoil that makes it very very very situational and hard to use. Poison grenades end up killing orks more then the enemy(they just run in like dumb mushrooms thinking is the heal which takes me to that point, you have to replace healing grenades for that which are the most useful piece of kit painboys get .. i am not saying that they make painboys good compared to warlocks or sorcs but you should take every bit of scrap you can get as on ork cause the devs arent that generous.)
I think I must be utterly blue in the mouth when it comes to this point. The Kannon is not comparable to the Plasma Cannon. The Kannon is an anti-vehicle weapon(The strongest one in the game that isn't melta) that has a litle bit of anti-infantry capability in the right circumstances. The Plasma Cannon however is an anti infantry-weapon that has a little bit of utility against vehicles. These are two weapons that function in a somewhat superficially similar manner to do very different jobs. The Kannon is not, should not and shall never function with the same AOE as the Plasma Cannon as long as it can deal the phenomenal amounts of vehicular damage it does. If it could then it would be a cheese that even exceeds Plasma Cannons as whole ork teams armed with Kannons would simply spam charged shots everywhere, obliterating infantry and vehicles alike. If we really want to go into it then have a real life example. Armour piercing shells are shaped and charged in a way that means they punch through armour before exploding in a tight confined space and so tend to have a small and concentrated blast radius. Anti-infantry or high explosive shells are constructed and shaped in a way to cause maximum damage/fragmentation across a large area but do not perform well against armour because they trade the solid cap or sabot that allows them to punch through solid armour plates.
You really think that is a good indicator? Just the other day the devs were giving some stats where eldar were in a huge lead, chaos somewhere around the median and then ork quite far away with the sm not very much back. Not even those stats did any good though cause it doesnt give you a comparison by faction basis, just as a whole. The 4% difference in their win/loss could be only from eldar and chaos fights. Would that make Ork balanced? no, not really. They would still lack tools to deal with most of the things eldar and chaos can pull. The point i am trying to make is that we just dont have enough data to talk about a faction being balanced. I think the most balanced faction is chaos. Eldar are OP and need changes. Ork and LSM just lack some tools in their arsenal to compete so they need changes.
Why do people keep saying that like it actually makes a difference? The 50hp is a stop gap to cover our terrible animations and help us maybe get into range to play, most likely still wont though.
1. for that role is redundant with the lascannon which is probably a little more solid. 2. who said the kannon has shaped charges. use the normal attack not the charged on and you will see it just trows a grenade. no indicator what so ever that it might be a shaped charge. It really seems more of a kinetic weapon than anything else(cause the projectiles dont adhere to surfaces) 3. it wouldnt be more cheese cause it takes twice as much time to shoot a kannon than a plasma even if you have a static target that doesnt shoot back. The kannon is in the trash tier of AV compared with what the others are getting. I really donno how much damage does a charged shot from a plasma cannon to vehicles now cause i dont own it but i am quite sure a decent part of that difference gets canceled by the double rof of the plasma gun(if not more than double). Yes i am sure that after the nerfs the PC is still a weaker av weapon but its just better in every other way.
While the Zapgun has render distance range, so does the Kannon and unlike the Zapgun the cannon can play peekaboo around corners and even shoot mortar rounds over cover without exposing yourself making it a safer choice while it also does more damage per shot and reloads and charges just as fast as the zapgun can charge and cooldown. Saying the Zapgun is a better choice and more solid AV is frankly laughable since now that we have the Kannon it is wholly redundant for all but sniping Devastators on fortress walls while attacking. Frankly this statement is also laughable. The Kannon can obliterate vehicles in short order from extreme range while the Plasma Cannon takes a damn long while for it to erode away at the rear armour of any vehicle at almost point blank range. The fact that you do not even know how the Plasma Cannon function really does irk me however; how can you pretend to dictate how to balance something you have never even used? The fact that you clearly cannot use the Kannon for it's intended purpose and feel the need to shoehorn it into a role it was never meant to fulfill and trying to make it a shallow carbon copy of another so we get what little asymmetry removed and all the charm of the Ork faction utterly removed is sad. If you want a Plasma Cannon then I advise you play LSM or CSM but the Kannon is fine as it is and it is you who needs to learn how to use it.
