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One real problem for LSM : Presets suck

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dreadspectre, Jan 24, 2017.

  1. Next Patchnotes:
    Tacticals are INVINCIBLE now, to help Cap-Problems and balance LSM out against the other Factions.
    Thanks to Matt Ward and his clever inputs

    Just kidding.
    A preset AV Option should really be available for every faction. And be it a Tactical melta-Meltabomb Combo.
    I agree with your mindset, Power to the Tacticals
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  2. Kurze spunkymonkeySK Subordinate

    I have to say that the lack of AV for 3 sets of default loadouts does make playing those factions a rough ride to start with.

    The only way I've managed to get each character competitive is to save 16000 early and get a PF.
    It's the most versatile of the AV options and once you have it the game opens up a lot more.

    The problem isn't technically the amount of noobs or the lack of early game AV though.
    The problem is your ranked up players not doing the role that needs fulfilling.

    If there are a lot of enemy vehicles knocking around then someone experienced should be taking care of them.
    The same is true of so many things - teams can struggle because no one takes healer or heavy. The whole team will suffer and yet no one will do what is necessary.

    You don't need to be a genius to work out how this game works (admittedly it's got more going on than some shooters, but not a lot more!) - but I see too many high ranked players seemingly unaware of the time bonus for capping each point (even with the new symbols!) - or the reverse where it is imperative that you hold that last point to win the game.

    So many people walking round with blinkers on thinking were playing CoD.

    And it shouldn't be an issue that even 50% of your team can't go AV due to being new - it only takes one or two players to wipe out those tanks..

    Why experienced players don't do this more I cannot say - it's such a lucrative source of xp and genuinely helps the team..

    As it is I've had an up and running AV class by about my 5th game as each faction (except SM as I stupidly just bought supply caches in the hope it would give me something useful!).

    So in my opinion no change should really be needed - because once again the players themselves are the problem!
    Unfortunately the problem doesn't seem to be going away, so yes it might be time for everyone to get a default AV class.



    As an aside I was playing skirmish yesterday.
    Trying to push for that last time bonus by selecting the objective and asking in chat - the reply was 'How can we take the point if they are all defending it?'

    I could've cried.

    Personally I think it may be more useful if each loadout has 2 brain cells to rub together as standard :)
  3. Tarot NeonWeaver Steam Early Access

    Hey, I said the same about the presets some months ago when I started a new chaos character after deleting my old one and people just said "git gud!" XD

    The boltgun preset needs some mods, an un-moded unarmored guy vs the standard armored + moded guy, is going to lose much of the time.

    About the AV, I'm sure it's something about the LSM (and sometimes CSM), they seem to ignore vehicles much more than Orks and Eldar. If they don't have a dedicated AV guy, an enemy transport can stay parked on their door for the entire match. At least you can try to drive a tank and blow it if you don't have an AV loadout!

    I completed the 10 wins for the ork, eldar and chaos campaigns in one evening each one. Yesterday I won 2 matches as LSM in all the evening :_)

    PS: Could the LSM have more kids too? I've seen them to do things now that no other faction do (they didn't did them before), like "sitting" on an opponet face after killing it, or creating more squads because "they have more chances for leader buff" when we were asking for merging them (and explaining the reasons, of course).
  4. Haldur Haldur Curator

    Yes, I agree 100%. I was thinking about creating a thread about this topic for a while now, but you know... creating threads about balance on this forums is... not fun.

    I think that there is an imbalance going on for a while now, that goes far beyond the imbalanced aspects that people usually complain about.

    Right now, with the game modes that we have, I think that transports are the most important factor of winning or losing a match. I keep telling people every match, no matter which faction I am on. If you take out the enemy transports when defending, this will take away so much pressure on the point. And when you need to recap a point, taking out the enemy transport first will often enable you to take the point back in the first place.

    With that being said, anti vehicle loadouts and weapons are really important in the current game. If one faction now has access to such a loadout as a preset, while others do need to rely on people actually investing points and time into such a loadout, this does create a huge imbalance.

    I know that this game has asymmetrical balance and that is nice and makes sense lore wise, but at least the preset thing should be changed.

    Edit: Forget to add what I always write lately. Even though I am part of a Space Marines Chapter, I do play every faction equally, having at least reached rank 5 with all of them. So this is not some "I am LSM, nerf others" comment. ;)
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  5. Wiawyr Wiawyr Deacon

    They should have read my review.
  6. CMDante CMDante Arkhona Vanguard

    But guys, it would be OP if anyone but eldar had an AV loadout from the start, just ask the Eldar.
  7. Nasher Nasher Firebrand

    "Lorebending".
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  8. Wiawyr Wiawyr Deacon

    It would also be super unfair and imbalanced if Eldar didn't have a free really good AV option available to everyone at all times, thus freeing up one of their loadout slots for other roles if they want.
  9. CMDante CMDante Arkhona Vanguard

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  10. Lerdoc Katitof Well-Known Member

    Presets are going away soon.
    Problem solved!
    You can go back to having seizures from hawks adjusting brightness of your screen themselves.

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