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Observation on the Eldar; Why we don't like fighting them?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Fiesty_Won, Jan 22, 2017.

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  1. Wiawyr Wiawyr Deacon

    That damage amount may have been accurate two or three nerfs back, but no such thing right now. Even getting 3 applications of the AG DoT does the same ticks of 10 damage. In fact, it's not until eighteen stacks of the heat ailment that it actually ticks for 50 damage, and 18 shots is the overheat bar; that 50 damage is also only for one tick while you're overheated, then right back to 10.

    So you're saying that if Eldar toughness got nerfed, they would nerf the AC because...Eldar died faster as a result of having their survivability nerfed? Or if Eldar toughness got buffed, they would nerf the AC because...why? What is it exactly you're saying, because you're not making sense.
  2. Remo RemoSupremo Confessor

    Bolter feels stronger because you're not firing space confetti out of it. :p
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  3. Asyran Eldritch Arkhona Vanguard

    If we got nerfed to anywhere under 260 Effective HP. The AC will 2-shot on body shots. Which would just add fuel to the fire when it comes to nerfing the AC.

    I'm saying they might nerf it because of a problem they created.
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  4. Wiawyr Wiawyr Deacon

    Okay, so my first guess was correct. You are saying, that if they deliberately nerf Eldar to be less survivable, then when Eldar become less survivable, they will nerf weapons that are used against the Eldar because the Eldar are less survivable.

    Dude. Come on.
  5. Remo RemoSupremo Confessor

    That's what is going to happen though.

    Your toughness is going to 100, that is confirmed, but you will be losing out somewhere else (Hitpoints or Armor).

    This has to be done because Eldar can't be brought up to 100 toughness and not take a hit somewhere else. Their speed is supposed to be their balancing factor after-all.

    Eldar are supposed to be less durable than the other races. No weapon should be balanced against Eldar durability, EVER. In real life I couldn't fight a Space Marine or an Ork, but I bet good money I could pick an Eldar up and snap its little pixie neck(I'm 6'8", 340lbs). So obviously they should never be as tough as Space Marines, and damn sure should never have as much health as Orks.

    You see what I have been dealing with here?
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  6. Asyran Eldritch Arkhona Vanguard

    Auto-cannons are already pushing it with the 3-shot kill thing. The devs have wanted to avoid OHK weapons a lot. Which explains why Plasma Cannons were nerfed.

    A 2-shot Auto-cannon is pushing it. As with latency it almost becomes a guaranteed kill, even if cover is nearby.

    Having a 2-shot weapon is not healthy for anyone. Even squishy factions. A bolter requiring 2-3 less bullets is fine. As it would still require more than several shots to kill.

    The changing of Eldar survivability could cause a lot of issues with high damage weapons. As the devs don't like OHKs, but if they nerf us too much, we will be OHK all the time. And that will just create problems with weapon balancing.

    I'm saying though they shouldn't go overboard.

    Unless, by the rules of Glass Cannon. You are ok with Starswarm missiles one shotting your Space marine?
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  7. Remo RemoSupremo Confessor

    Don't forget you're also getting a buff, all your 80pen weapons are going to 100, and you're also going to 100 toughness.

    Stop looking at just the negatives and think of the positives.

    This is the entire reason I started posting in this thread. Because Eldar are playing the wounded animal, and here you are doing it again.

    "They are going to nerf out survivability, that means we'll die faster! They should nerf any weapon that can kill us!"

    That's you, that's what you're saying.
  8. Shiani Brujah Preacher

    I second this. He's a monster. I've played alongside him though, so I know it's legit. He's just really really good.
  9. Asyran Eldritch Arkhona Vanguard

    I am. Because I am scared that we will enter a 1-hit/2-hit kill meta.

    If we have a lot of weapons killing us in 2-3 hits. We would see increases to the damage of some of our weapons.

    Think about it. Are you okay with Starswarm missiles potentially getting a buff to match the TTK of the AC against us? Killing you in 2 hits.

    I'm just worried that this could cause a lot of salt.
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  10. Xio Valency Xi0 Preacher

    I would rather keep things as is honestly since Eldar have great armour, technically superior power armour on some but are as strong and durable as your modern day infantrymen at best probably anyway, it's why Orks have really high toughness after all, you can remove the head and punch the brain and he can go on fighting.

    Plus I find a health/armour nerf far more damaging than 20 toughness boost that wont affect 3 out of 7 classes anyway unless you want like a 170 toughness Fire Dragon with a fusion gun and single bomb which would make no sense.
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