Though I am concerned with the armour changes to Eldar once they get 100 toughness. (Better not change health) The absolute maximum they can decrease our armour by is 30. We cannot go below 70 armour. Because the AC will then 2 shot. Which will surely get the weapon nerfed. When was the last time you were killed by a: - Fusion Pistol - Starswarm missile - Unbraced Shuriken Cannon - Hull-mounted Shuriken Catapults - Hawksear Grenades The only high pen weapon they have is Hawk's Talon. Which actually has less dps than a Lasblaster. But it only gets better than a Lasblaster at targets above 120 toughness.
I was killed by multiple unbraced Shuriken cannons, a godly amount, the same with starswarm, lots of death to those, I mean they were my team after all Side note oh boy we 20 pages in already, I'm sure by the time I go to bed and wake up it will either hit 37+ or get auto locked as usual.
The AC can already 2 shot. It's called aiming for the head, and the AC was already nerfed several times and the AG nerfed even more times. Reality has nothing to do with how loudly people scream to nerf it.
You are wrong here a bit. Heat has nonlinear damage function, so from one shot it's very small, from two its noticeable and from three (strange you didn't die at that point, Vet eh?) hazardous. For example when fired till going on CD, meltagun stacks a ~68 Damage per tick. While when fired up to 75% of CD only around 15-16. Anyway I am amazed at Autocannons because they do exactly what was the reason of a huge Heavy bolter nerf: 3shot people in a very short time frame.
Why use them when corresponding class has far better means to kill target? which doesn't change fact that SH has more variety and generally more deadly if you take into account all situations. As for survivability, JPAs were nerfed exactly because maneuverability is a form of survivability.
Why use them when corresponding class has far better means to kill target? [/QUOTE] I know, that's why I want them buffed. Eldar are perfectly fine. But I hate how limited they are because so much of their arsenal is just bad.
Hawk's Talon still has less DPS than any of the Dire Avenger's guns. It has less DPS than a Bolt Pistol. Also, Hunter's Mark has the same DPS as Hawk's Talon. And means of escape don't help much at doing DAs job, which involves assaulting and taking control of capture points.
Nope, I totally agree with all of this. My point was that it is more nuanced than you made it out to be by showing TTK just against a single target. When Eldar are involved, by necessity TTK must be considered as Eldar vs opponent and opponent vs Eldar. Now, whether Eldar get an advantage over and above the weapons themselves being effectively balanced against one another, that's another matter entirely. As you touch on there, it may well be that's the case. In my experience, playing mostly Eldar, I don't feel like I have an advantage. I feel far more deadly as a Space Marine with a Bolter than I do as a Dire Avenger with a Shuriken Catapult. That's a feeling though, not empirical evidence, so I'm happy to accept that Eldar are broadly speaking doing okay. We're still missing a lot of utility, especially when it come to melee, and we're lagging insanely behind in the cosmetics department, but it's not so bad on the balance front.
