Did anyone read that last bit in Alucards Voice from helsing abridged? anyone... anyone.... Bueler...just me then.
Also i totally agree, the imperial cult might not have been what the emperor intended but its given them a huge weapon against chaos. I mean, the captain in the ultra marines books tanks a Laz Cannon to the chest... because the emperor protects. and he didn't even have the iron halo or anything that would give him a force field.

I said earlier lorgar was relived the battle was over. Say what you want but he knew he was going to loose. Also as I stated before "girlyman" is getting old. Have a nice day

I understand that. But obviously he knew he was going to be bested, this he was relieved

The definition if relieved is no longer feeling distressed or anxious; reassured. He was feeling distressed, He was worried.

And he lorgar was worried. Guilliman wasn't. Case closed. Have a good day sir

Name me one thing Lorag acutally did that would be considered an acomplishment? Wow he tampered with chaos, and needed horus to lead him. He was weak to temptation. After the emperor yelled at him and sent the ULTRAMARINES to destory monarchia, lorgar got sad and developed daddy issues. He is so... changeable. He is so prone to extremes. Eager to please, so quick to take offence. He's so keen to be your best friend, and then, at the slightest hint of an insult, he's angry with you. Furious. Offended. Like a child. This quote sums him up pretty good. Rob had an empire. As for him being a training dummy, he beat lorgar, was in an unfair fight against angron, fought with curze evenly(and curze was in his element), fulgirm had sword arms, and kor had insane warp magik hacks. So please, if you think Lorgar is anything, ANYTHING compared to guilliman, please, think again. (ps ponies arnt cool)

While I don't see any if those as actually being accomplishments and rather him being a pawn of chaos, I see how a chaos follower can see them that way. Perspective I guess.

1. the same religion that he turned against, and which was also responsible for making the heresy fail, and the preservation of the Imperium.

2. your logic doesn't hold up. the chaos gods aren't nature, they're failure. the failure to remain strong in the face of weakness. not to mention that they're also the product of weak minds. might as well call a turd mighty. yet, the greatest chaos champion that ever lived with the power of all the chaos gods behind him and he couldn't even kill the Emperor. fail.

3. Sanguinius defeated a very powerful demon of Khorne. it happens in 40k, so yanno, no biggie.

4. they were already flawed, he can't really take responsibility for turning them all, anymore than a banana tree can claim responsibility for you slipping on a banana peel and breaking your back. Angron was already screwed, Perturabo had already made his mistakes, same with Curze, Magnus made his deal with chaos long before Lorgar did, and if anything, Horus did all the heavy lifting, and pretty much ran his own agenda from day 1. the only primarch Lorgar turned was Horus, he can't really claim everything that Horus did because it required Horus to do it, using the skills and knowledge he already had.

5. he caused damage to Corax, even though he had no chance to win, and needed his ass saving, and you call that a good thing?

6. Angron's situation was Lorgar's fault, at best, he managed to sort out his own mess. still not something to crow about.

7. his attempts to crush Guilliman and the Ultramarines failed, ultimately this caused the heresy to fail. again, not something to be proud of.

8. Lorgar got lucky after screwing up because he got cocky and thought he had it all figured out. wrong.

9. the 500 worlds still exist and have prospered since the heresy, ultimately showing that Lorgar's plan there completely failed. that said, Erebus was more responsible for much of what did go right, and much of what he could do he learned himself. how does the maelstrom continue to help chaos fight the imperium? last I checked it didn't hinder the Ultramarines and thier many, many successor chapters from serving the imperium, nor has it been mentioned as aiding chaos post-heresy.

10. the plan didn't work, despite it all the Emperor survived. the Imperium as it is hasn't improved chaos' position at all. ultimately chaos was stronger during the heresy than it ever has been since, the same goes for the traitor legions. which isn't a surprise since chaos failed with the Eldar too. all they managed to do was create another rival for them to bicker with and spend more time trying to prove who has the biggest

11. the idea that it's rare or more powerful is nonsense, you're pretty much making that up. he wasn't the first Daemon Prince for a start, in fact he was a little late to the party. given that however, Abaddon has done more than Lorgar has ever done post-heresy, and he's not even a Daemon Prince. hell, being a Daemon Prince isn't even exclusive to being a traitor Primarch, it's practically in every box of Khorneflakes.

plus, you're kinda overlooking the fact that the heresy, which was Lorgar's masterplan, failed. not to mention he was manipulated by Chaos the whole time, ultimately towards his own failure. what have we heard of Lorgar since? zip. nada.

you also might have noticed that Horus pretty much went his own way once he decided to try and bring dad down, it being demonstrated time and time again that Lorgar's lackey Erebus couldn't keep a leash on him, let alone save face ... which was also partly responsibly for the failure of the heresy.

and yet, Guilliman was ultimately responsible for holding the Imperium together, bringing it back from the brink, and sending ALL of the traitors, demon princes or not, running to the eye of terror with their tail between their legs.

worst of all, many of his own legion found him a burden, if not an embarrassment.

when you put it all together, you've essentially tried your best to overinflate Lorgar to make up for all of his glaring failures, whether claiming fails as wins, or plain making stuff up. all of which just goes to prove that Lorgar isn't all that.

after all, if he was, why would you try so hard to make it sound otherwise despite the clear evidence?

^ everything he said(he did a great job). In Knf sorot tchure, a senior captain, admits lorgar is an embarrassment. He even praises guilliman just before he commits the treachery.
His shadow crusade failed, and guilliman was able to successfully repel two legions. The ruin storm he tried to create obviously didn't work, because guilliman could have left macragge with the blood angels. He worshiped the emperor as a god, then when the emperor yelled at him, he turns to dark gods?! Are you kidding me? That is a true child, it's the reason no one respects him