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  1. Emporors Deathwatch New Member

    I just read the book Mechanicum, and I'm confused about a few things.

    Since adept Zeth was messing with the warp, in her pursuit of knowledge, why then wasn't she corrupted by Tzeentch. Was it part of his plan for Mars to fall how it did? Personally I thought she would be the first to be corrupted.

    The fabricator Locum quotes that he's worried because all the arms are going to the legions supporting the warmaster Horus. I thought at that stage all the legions were behind the warmaster, he was after all put in charge of the great crusade.

    What is the void dragon doing exactly while this rebellion happens, since the C'tan hate chaos, shouldn't he be empowering the loyal mechanicus, who worship him.

    Why don't all the adepts join forces against the fabricator general? After all his scrap code ruined many of their operations. And what is this "chaos corrupted code, " Why doesn't it reach and anger the void dragon?

    Lastly Zeth said she checked the device herself, but it failed? Did she also overlook the error?

    Still it was a pretty interesting book. Thoughts?
  2. Well I haven't read the series, but Tzeentch is something I'm familiar with.

    Tzeentch isn't really a god that needs to directly effect people, he gives great boons to his followers but you must always expect a cost either at the time of the exchange or down the road, but probably both. The thing is though, he's the god of Fates, Ambition, Knowledge, Magic, and shit of that nature. He doesn't really need you to praise him, follow him, or even acknowledge him for you to play into one of his schemes, for he comprehends a thousand possible futures and has plans for each one. So, merely because this individual was not directly touched by his influence(or reduced to an insane mutant spawn) doesn't mean he didn't play a role in the events. It's called the Butterfly Effect, he could have sent something in motion eons prior without anyone's knowledge and still managed to effect the outcome.

    But yeah, just by living, seeking knowledge, or generally trying to better your own circumstances, you're playing Tzeetch's game and adding to his power. It's just that if you're not communing with him or his daemons directly, you're not getting any rewards or power boons for it. Which may be a good thing, as his version of a reward may be mutating the fuck out of you.
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  3. Meep MP5 Menial

    You need to continue reading the following books, Kaban Project, Krypios, Titanicus, Priests of Mars, Lords Of Mars, Gods Of Mars. you will get a better idea. I don't want to spoil it for you
  4. Emporors Deathwatch New Member

    Ah, okay. Yeah "Gods of Mars" does look great.
  5. Meep MP5 Menial

    The Of Mars books are a set so don't cheat and jump to the last one, you will not get it.

    P.S All these books have clues in them
  6. Tzeentech had little to nothing in reality to do with the rise of the Dark Mechanicum and the eventual loss of the Forge World of Mars temporarily during the Heresy. It was in fact an orchestration several decades in the making in which the Fabricator General who had been close to Horus agreed to side with him in secret when the Rebellion began. You can see this starting when Horus begins to receive more and more of the newer armour and weapon variants and those that would eventually be attacked continued to receive the outdated versions. Mistress Zeth also was tapping into the Empyrean through an incomplete psionic device that required unbelievable amounts of psychic energy to be harvested first before it could work, this device was essentially her research into proving that there was no real "god" or "machine-spirit" in general though the research died with her when she self destructed the forge-city. Think of her research as being the same as a geller field concept, yes it taps into the empyrean but in a way that is essentially safe without any recourse.

    All the Legions openly supported Horus as he was the Warmaster in charge of the Crusade. At the time of the first Massacre though(not the drop-site), which had become common knowledge to the Council of Terra and the Emperor, the local pro-Imperial forces were concerned that these arms would fall into the hands of Legions who were most likely to betray the Emperor. The Imperials knew there were more than a handful of traitor-legions though the extent at which the betrayal ran could never have been guessed. By the time however the Council of Terra is aware of Horus' treachery, the rebellion on Mars starts but due to the communication blackout by the scrap code, they don't know exactly what is going on other than feud. By the end of the novel in which roughly a few months have passed, the full situation is realized though.

    An excellent question in which I don't know myself but am assuming there is still a relatively large plot hole covering it. Will answer when I find out :3.

    When the scrap code went through all communication systems, it only attacked those that the Fabricator General had not yet converted. Several of the Adepts and Lords had already privately sided with the Fabricator General and knew in advance the slaughter that was to come. Whether or not these once-loyalists were directly infected with the Chaos-Plague or willingly offered themselves to be corrupted in promise for riches by the Fabricator General is unknown but it did happen. This started mostly in part due to restrictions in research regarding AI in which pro-Horus forces had already begun researching the development of AI for war in disregard to the Emperors edict which was hidden from the pro-Imperial Mechanicus. The finding of the locked vault in the deepest recesses of Mars also led to the open rebellion as it allowed the traitor forces to basically corrupt more to their side before openly attacking which is hinted to behind the scenes during the novel. One of the main reasons the loyalists were hard at uniting was that in fact, they were blind and cut off and in most cases, under siege themselves. Could they have counter-attacked sooner? Yes they could have but they were ignorant to the rebellion and could not believe what had become of their own planet. The element of surprise basically prevents any coordinated counter-assault or defense for the loyalists which is why the Terran reinforcements towards the end of the novel simply evacuate as much as they can because they know they cannot win there yet.

    The device itself was unstable and required psychic energy specifically which could not be harvested safely. Her calculations were based off the current energy stores she had siphoned away over the years of her research but it wasn't enough to fully activate it. The operation itself did succeed though it is hard to tell without looking back over it. It appears it had failed simply because the reader died and the device was destroyed but they did manage to recover data that had been lost before this happened and therefore succeeded. Had the forge-city not been overrun by traitor forces, they more than likely would have been able to re-create the long lost technology during the civil war against the Machine (Men of Iron) before the Age of Strife. However, due to the fact the device required access to the Astronomican, once it was destroyed, it was basically impossible to recreate as the device required three specific keys. A psychically attuned reader who could decrpyt the key or catalyst, the device itself and the Astronomican. Without all three pieces, the device would never work and two of the devices were destroyed during the fall of the forge-city.
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  7. Meep MP5 Menial

    Maybe I have differing interpretation of the book but I believe you have some of your info incorrect in regards to the scrap code and the "device" Commissar. I would like to hear others thoughts on this.

    Also I think you should administrator yourself some punishment under Imperial law for the use of colors from the warp that make peoples eyes bleed.
  8. I'm going off the authors side notes from an interview I have in my collection from one of the few signed collectors editions. It's in the additional 100+ pages of story line that basically shows the authors point of view in which information is deliberately withheld to prevent spoilers from future novels. Granted Mechanicum is pretty old by now in the timeline, it's not really spoiling anything.

    In response to your problems with the Commissariats colors:
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    The overall falling of the Fabricator General was through the Warmasters agent known as Regulus who traded the recently captured STCs from the Auretian Technocracy for utter loyalty. In addition, information regarding to the location of the Vault of Moravec was given to deliberately trigger the chaos corruption of the Fabricator General and utterly sealing his fate.

    In regards to the scrap code in detail: The scrap code assault was triggered by the Fabricator Generals opening of the Vault of Moravec which had been sealed prior due to its corruption by the chaos powers. Upon opening, the virus held within spread through a binary blitz that was coined as "scrap code". Traveling planet wide, the scrap code afflicted all systems excluding the recently upgraded noosphere which included only three Magi, Koriel Zeth, Ipluvien Maximal, and Fabricator-Locum Kane.

    The scrap code assault was used as a grace period by the soon to be formed Dark Mechanicus as the Fabricator General and his allies including the Titanicus force of the Legio Mortis dismantled the loyalists piece by piece through a series of assassinations, bribes, and outright invasions before the loyalists could regroup. During this time, the Legio Mortis marched onto the Legio Temepstus, the main Titanicus loyalist force in an attempt to force the loyalists to engage piecemeal.

    The "device" as I refer to or to be more specific, the Akashic Reader is exactly what it says in the name. A device used by taking the Astronomican as a catalyst to pierce Akashic or "all knowledge" through a reader who is psychically sensitive. In the books case, this person was a psyker under the command of Dalia Cythera known only as the empath. However, due to the fact it requires you to tap into the Astronomican which is essentially the Emperors own psychic power at full throttle, a single person cannot hold all that power without killing themselves which is what happened. Yet even though Cytheras empath or psyker was essentially disintegrated as he was consumed as a catalyst, the overall operation succeeded.
  9. Meep MP5 Menial

    Thank you for clearing up your first post :)

    It was lost only in that one would have to locate the one person who knows its working, she was still alive all be it in a place of madness guarding the "Dragon" (who was imprisoned/fooled by the Emperor as far as I know)
  10. Zael Zael Well-Known Member

    There is more in the Warp than merely Chaos. Koriel Zeth attempted to contact the Akashic Records, which contain all of the knowledge about all of the universe, written down into the fabric of the Warp.

    The supplies were going to some legions and not to others. No mention of loyalties.

    1. The void dragon is locked up inside that cave.
    2. The mechanicum-sect worshipping him is small, powerless and possibly extinct.

    1. Scrapcode not only destroys, it also corrupts.
    2. It doesn't reach the void dragon because he doesn't have internet.

    The blueprints for the Theta-Wave Enhancer that Zeth used contained a mistake everybody failed to notice and that's why the device didn't work. It was Dalia Cythera who found this mistake and built a working Theta-Wave Enhancer.
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