What if, PC's could only charge while crouched? They could still move, but it would be slower, and they would have to use mortar rounds more often the straight shot. Ohyoupokedme talked about Risks of overheating and the possibility of the gun exploding. Instead of the risk of the gun exploding being based on how much the gun is charged what if it was based on how much overheat was in the gun? The more the gun overheats the more likely it is to explode. So if the overheat is under 25% overheat it would be safe. 25-50% overheat would have a 10-20% chance for the shot to explode the gun. 50-75% overheat would be 20-40% chance to pre-detonate and 75-100% overheat would be 40-50% chance to pre-detonate. These numbers would need to be balanced out but the idea is that the more the gun overheats the more it destabilizes which increases the chance for it to blow up in your face.
I think that would look incredibly silly. Maybe if they changed the animation for devastators crouching into less of a crouch, but it just doesn't look right when you're carrying a huge weapon like that and crouching at the same time. Especially when you're moving while doing so.
Yes. PC vs. HB in close range the PC is probably the better weapon. Not against eachother but vs. say, stormbolters. PG vs. Bolter, on everything within medium range, the plasma gun is the better weapon. With no downsides. it's not expensive enough, it doesn't overheat fast enough, and there's no Gets hot!
This is why this conversation is so ridiculous. One, we have already covered this. No one is disagreeing with you when it comes to the fast shot. I don't know why you keep bringing it up. It needs to get replaced with a pistol. You also haven't been differentiating between plasma cannon and plasma gun so I don't know how much of your stuff has been about the plasma gun. I also agree with you that it's basically a better bolter for way too few points, and it effectively has no drawbacks. This thread is about heavy weapons. I feel like you aren't even reading what's being said because you keep repeating/conflating things over and over. We've talked about the fast shot a million times, but you keep bringing it up. I've mentioned that the plasma gun is an issue as well multiple times.
You haven't played pc for even 2hrs yet you pose to be an expert. Talking to you is like talking to a daltonist about colours. Speaking of 'how op pc is', after 2 hrs of playing with pc today the best kd I got was 16\14. Thank you.
After thinking about it a bit, I actually like Murtag's idea if I am understanding it right. Murtag, by fast-shot you mean the plasma cannon's ability to shoot an uncharged shot right? So by removing fast shot, the plasma cannon can only shoot fully charged shots (plasma cannon can't fire anything but fully charged shots, no partial charge shots allowed)? That combined with giving the Dev/Havoc a pistol/sidearm would be a pretty good balancing move to me. And if we really wanted to mess with the plasma cannon, we could make it so that any "heat" that isn't dispersed through firing, would be reflected back onto the Dev/Havoc. So they wouldn't be able to shoot anything but charged shots, and any shots they don't fire and have to vent/cut short will end up burning them. Though...I really feel that would be a bit too much unless it is a very very small amount of damage.
