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POLL EDIT - A lot of you have said to buff the other factions rather than nerf CSM so I've added this to the poll choices, you can all re-vote too for those who voted differently because the option wasn't there.

Let's be honest, we've all known for a while that CSM have been the strongest faction. Yet they seem to avoid any threads regarding a possible nerf.

Well the Chaos gods protect you no longer!

I've just come out of a game, their top 4 players had 30+ kills, our top player as Orks had 15. The second Ork player had 11 and then we were all under 10. This disparity is too telling, Chaos are simply too strong at the moment.

The Chaos players seemed to be PUGs, we had a few DLS? (it was similar to DLB with one letter changed) players and another from a few other clans (though they were playing solo).

In terms of general balance is there anything you'd like to see specifically with regards to Chaos?

Here's a few of my thoughts to help balance them a little better;

1. Nerf Plasma Cannons, seriously. Regular OHKs so easily are bs.
2. Abaddons GraOMFGFACEWREKKA gun is a bit strong.
3. Channelling healing on a heavy wielding either of the above 2 weapons is devastating (heh, get it?).
4. Force sword spam seems incredibly powerful and doesn't seem to follow the RPS system (2 strong attacks didn't clang, they just went through me, using a Klaw).
5. Chain Axes are hella beast.

As far as I can tell, they have all of the strengths of the LSM plus a little more flavourful ones for added measure.

How do you CSM guys feel? Is there anything you think (apart from Plasma Cannons, obviously) is a bit too easy?

Usually when it is that lopsided, you will see a lot of matching guild tags. Do what I do when up against a heavy teamstack, leave.

No man this was PUGs v PUGs really (Ork had a FEW clan members).

There was like 1 guild tag on the CSM team.

I mean... you are asking for a Nerf because you lost? Not based on numbers or data or anything, just that you lost and the CSM were better?

Orks are too tanky, they need a nerf!

I only play ork and honestly I've never felt CSM OP. I feel it's a fair fight against them. Surely they have a few good guns but they're not impossible to take down.
My only concerns about CSM are visual: the Chaos Sorcerer should look completely different, and I would love to fight those frenzy crazy Khorne soldiers with their red armor and the decorated helmet.

Did you read the OP or....??

My data is that the kill counts were way off and that CSM seem to win every game I play against them.

This thread is about CSM, not Orks. You can make another thread to discuss them and their strengths.

PC is not an issue only for CSM so that must be looked at carefuly as it would also affect LSM. Different maps favor PC more than others too, also a contributing factor. Maps like Pegasus can be much harder to safely use PC compared to something like Maggon or whatnot.

Truth be told though, I really don't have an issue with CSM, even as an Ork. That doesn't mean I win all the time or don't get obliterated by someone now and then, oh god yes.

Overall though they are manageable. I kill them pretty much the same as I do LSM.

If I would look at anything right now it would be Sorcs(they sort of mirror Warlocks right now being really good in melee for a support class) and possibly tuning AC down a smidge.

Yeah demon bolt is friggen way too OP, nerf it to shit now plz. SoC? Damn son that beam just gave me a bad case of the sniffles! I'm calling hackz! Oh yeah we need more penalties for using our stuff as well please. Thanks.

P.S You forgot the 'Fuck off!' option on your poll.

I agree with OP on a point of plasma cannon's excessive strength, but it isn't Chaos issue only. Loyalist plasma cannon needs to be nerfed too.