No, the Abaddon's Grace is a unique version of the autocannon weapon type, and like I said, it wasn't even mentioned until page 10 when you realized you lost the argument and started grasping at straws that no rational person would attempt. Show me the post where I claimed that. No, really, go back to page 2 where I first responded in this thread, and look for where I say "Chaos doesn't have any unique weapons". Did you go? Are you back? Here, I'll save you the trip since you get lost and confused so easily: I was responding only to the three examples that Mungfu listed. I never made any statements about CSM not having unique weapons, I was specifically talking about: the autocannon weapon class, and the sorceror class. Do you FINALLY realize that you've been fighting your own misunderstanding? I'm being charitable in assuming you honestly misunderstood and are not simply a bellend incapable of understanding what others say.
I gave out perfectly valid criticism with the damage falloff and accuracy spread. But I guess those count as "feelies" too. Sure. We'll agree to disagree on the matter. I'll uh, let you get back to that internet argument with the thick headed loyalist.
I noticed when people were "proving" the ace dakka was so much better than abbadons grace, they conveniently left out the crippling hinderances of a full half second longer wind up time, and having 3/4 of your screen clogged with it on bracing. But it's easy to test. Have both parties come around the corner and attack each other at the same time. My chaos marine has time to kneel, aim and fire in the same amount of time. My roll only has time to start the windup. Then the much vaunted "increased accuracy" evaporates. For even more one sided duels, have the ork come around a LEFT corner with that monstrosity. He won't even line up a shot before he is dead. The ultimate proof however lies in usage. Abbadons is used extensively, like the plasma cannon for its qualities. Ace dakka is not. If it was even 80% as good, it would see widespread use. It does not.
This simply doesn't change the fact that it is a unique weapon available only to Chaos. Riight, of course you didn't. Take a look: Mungu originally said: And then you responded by saying that Orks also have autocannons. What the orks don't have is Abbadon's Grace, and that is a unique weapon available only to Chaos. Therefore, CSM do in fact have a unique weapon only available to them. The abbadon's grace (which is an autocannon) is not something that Orks have. This is exactly what is going on, and you're still trying to fool everyone.
I gave out perfectly valid analysis and math to back it up, which you just handwaved away. You are not keeping any kind of intellectual high-ground in this specific argument, and you specifically said "it feels better" as if that was an argument of its own. I'm glad you're finally agreeing to disagree, which I suggested pages and pages back. I don't think this is an argument with him, it's more like I'm committing assault and he's spasming out on the ground from it. But thanks.
And that could be true, but what I'm interested in is if Chaos has any unique weapons or sorcerer powers that are available only to them or not. And Abadon's Grace is a unique weapon only available to Chaos.
Just remember that you're wrong. If you said the sky was blue and he said it was yellow, he would say it's yellow on the sun so that still counts. So you're wrong.
