Seriously....you can't complain that PC is OP and then proceed, in the same game, to go 25+/5-12 as a JPA. A NERFED JPA. You do realize that once melee buffs are in, melee wargear is in that you will be significantly better than you are now. Is it annoying to die to PC blobs? Of course, but so is being 2 shotted by Nightcrawler teleporting behind you suddenly and spamming RMB. You can't have it both ways. JPA/Melees are in just as good a position currently if you are GOOD at the class. Melee is going to have a higher skill cap, especially JPA, be default. If you're not doing good with JPA, practice more. They are fully capable of doing just as good if not better than a PC user in a game.
You know what? That´s true. The other day I deleted my MoN traitor loadout and I replaced it with a Raptor loadout. And was pretty good I must say. Sure, PC needs to have no quick shot but as it is now the charge attack I fell confortable fighting them.
Melee is kinda meant to be powerful though, since Melee is just that; melee. You can't shoot a Power Fist. It is powerful, but considering the situations required for you to do damage, it isn't OP
I've been playing Fist Nurgle almost exclusively for a week with sprinklings of Raptor. Even with nerfed HP and no Jetpack I can get into melee fairly reliably. If you are smart about your map positioning, watch the radar and don't dive into anything higher than a 1v2(with their backs facing you) it's REALLY not hard to do well.
I don't like how slams stun people because smacking the ground shouldn't hurt anything but your weapon but plasma cannons are not fun to play against and I feel cheated almost every time I'm killed by one. (yes I've used the darn thing and I still believe it's unfair) With melee stuff I'm not sure it should do so much damage from behind because there is nothing you can do if they slam you or are really good with swoop striking. It makes sense that a power fist slam would do stuff though but not chainswords.
Exactly. If you know what you're doing with Melee, you'll do well. If not, you fail to close the gap and you may die a lot. The same cannot be said with the PC. Yeah, it takes skill to use, but there is not weakness to it. The weakness of melee is that you need to be right up on them to be of any use. With the PC, it acts as a Long-Medium range cannon with a powerful short ranged "snapshot", and that is unacceptable.
Are you high? No offence but are you? This is literally the most flawed string of logic I've ever seen. By that logic if you can do well with anything, it should not be even considered. You do well with the plasma cannon, so you cannot talk about melee because you and others can pull 50/2 games with it so have a mod delete this thread right now. 'Cept it don't work like that, do it? Because it's wrong to nullify sweeping amounts of feedback of people who have mastered/learned the melee system THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE LISTENED TO. The biggest kick in the balls right here though is the JPA user line. It's blatant bullshit. For the same effort you'll do better with the PC and this is demonstrable. Compare the average K/Ds and score of people using the JPA and the PC and you'll see the difference. DJPenguin, a veritable master of the JPA will never score as highly with it as he does with the PC, because the PC prints kills. He has gone 53/1 with it just zoning out and talking shit. The closest he got with JPA is 59/12 I believe or somewhere in the teens. But he did that once where as with the PC he does regularly. As do I and many other people do. Am I calling for PC nerfs? Not really, no, snap shot is my only real issue but melee is by no means perfect. The effort required to get that amount of performance from the class is a joke with any other class (bar lascannon which generates more score instead) being much easier in comparison. This isn't a skill ceiling. It's a minimum demand of the player using the JPA. This is also skipping over the fact other classes will also be getting things like mods and accessories. Anyway, power level isn't my concern right now as much as internal balance of those things but still I'm appalled by the gall shown here of just flat out negating valuable feedback from good and experienced players who are arguably one of the most important groups. Your post amounts to a glorified "Fuck off."
