n ot true at all, Shootas are weak because orklogic of hold trigger and let the gun decide when it wants to hit people. Human logic is to aim and hold the trigger, counter the recoil on gun, do bursts etc.etc... all things a ork will not do.
Let's be real here. Space marines are a foot taller with more muscle mass and power armor on top of that. This is discounting any value of tactics, intelligence, or training since we're talking about players playing these races. Orks biggest strength has always been numbers. edit: keep in mind I was still talking about boyz here.
orks height always vary, also they hunched over most of the time/ But a big key value your missing, Is the fact that yes SM have power armor and it keeps em alive, But ork savaged weapons that were made to kill anything and made dem mur killy! Armor doesn't mean much if the people shootin t them have guns that are made to ignore that armor. and yes i know all ork weapons vary from their killing power, depending on the ork and such, but an ork with a gun is an ork with a gun, it cant aim for shit, but if a bullet still hits you its gonna hurt and their strength is in numbers yes so they can rush and get in melee range, but for range orks being in number means, if you fire 1000 bullets randomly in 1 direction at a squad of space marines, Atleast 10 of those bullets will hit something.
Have you come to this thread to promote Marines or to help Orks? Because if it's the former, and that clearly seems to be what you're going for, I think this isn't the right place to do it.
I'm implying that 16v16 Space marines vs Boyz is not equal. I am not promoting Space Marines - that just makes no sense. Orks either need more players as boyz or to play as nobz. 16v16 Space marines vs boyz lore wise is a slaughter fest. Would you agree that 16v16 CSM vs IG is not equal either? They would have the same issue were they to try to implement them. I hope they find a good solution.
that difference is way to big. seeing how a boy is on same level as a regular base trooper SM, tho all the SM got going for him is his massive amount of training while boys have none Fluff wise. Nobs are on the level of sergeants and such in terms of power. But this isnt fluff its a game that is going to be balanced, the SM players domt have years of training behind then in this they are regular humans playing a game like Orks will be. stop tryin to attach orks to fluff only
Orks need to play as Nobz, need more Boyz, 16vs16 Marines vs Boyz is a slaughter fest... According to WHO? You? How are you an authority on that? Space Marine novels, where Orks are normally the designated villain and so are the fuel for the Bolter Porn? Tabletop? In tabletop a Boy with 'Ard Armour and a Shoota is 11 pt, where a Tac is 14 pt; a very small difference, especially concerning how equal they can be on the battlefield. Lore? In lore, an Ork can survive having his body blasted apart, and can even have his head sewn back on to live another day. As far as I know, that's tougher than most Marines. One story describes Ghazzkull having so thick skin on his head that Storm Bolter bolts doesn't pierce it. Read, not bounching of the skull, shrugging off at the SKIN. I realize that's a Warboss, THE Warboss in fact, but how in hell can you think a Nob is equal to a Marine? He's larger, more bulky, and often has some really freakin' powerful weapons - You think a Nob with a Big Choppa would bounce off a Marine? The armour would simply bend inwards at that point! So where do you see the fact that Boyz HAVE to be weaker? As far as I see, it's only so you can get your jollies going through a mob of green weak goblins, not for an equal match. If you want that, Space Marine is a perfect fit. That's not what you're going to get here. Orks are not a "Weak Swarm" army; that's Tyranids and Imperial Guard (to an extend). We are the "Strong Swarm" army, alongside Necrons. There's a difference.
