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How I know Eldar speed is non existent.

Discussion in 'Eldar' started by G0dlyN00b, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. Rathael Rathael Arkhona Vanguard

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    Okay. I've got a stock answer for this one.
    1. Fast attacks are not, in the long-term, faster than running. If it was, everyone in the game would be travelling by fast-attacking instead of running.
    2. The melee lunges out-speed the minor acceleration up to full running speed. This means the first few melee lunges are faster than you, but if you escape after a few lunges you will be able to run away since you are moving faster. This is especially true of Eldar, who have higher acceleration and speed.
    3. The reason for this is because you're not supposed to be able to run away from melee without being cut down... otherwise melee would be pointless, since non-melee classes would just turn around and run away every time.
    TL;DR: The first 2 or 3 lunges will catch you while you accelerate, but after that running is faster than melee lunges.
  2. Slird Slird Active Member

    Enhance and Protect provide damage mitigation. Embolden provide AOE heal.
    As apothecary you need 2 sec to buff every person. 10 sec to buff 5 person who will come to your. Buff lasts 40 sec.
    Warlock can keep others inline even in combat, because you can recast it from cover with 2 sec windup time.
    Apothecaries doesn't have AOE damage mitigation buff. It is banal TRUTH, because single target touch buff IS NOT AOE. You need to be more constructive.
    Correct. Heal doesn't dissapear because applying to targets in moment of cast.
  3. Drake De Molina Drake_De_Molina Steam Early Access

    I'll answer the same as you when you don't have any argument.

    1. You don't know shit about it.
    2. You don't know shit about it.
    3. You don't know shit about it.
    4. You don't know shit about it.
    5. You don't know shit about it.

    Now serious answer.

    1. You are actually the only one saying that. Warlock main being disturbed as they don't have tools be efficient in 2 things in the same time. While you're so called "it's too long to buff allies so I don't buff them" is efficient at range (bolter), melee (narcecium is far from being shit), heal (beacon + vial), and buff (vial) in the same time.
    2. Again you think Aspect are guardian. DA have embraced the path of war and are dedicated to it as same as LSM. But they are specialized, DA ranged warfare, Banshee melee warfare, Scorpion infiltration and assassination,... (May I remember than sniper are supposed to be on scout as they are the one doing the infiltration and assassination duty).
    3. Archonte are psyker so YES they should have the opportunity to play little palpatine. If you don't want that then maybe they should have put BoneSinger as healer and something else for CSM, leaving psyker out of this shit.
    4. And this little bit, require more than one warlock to be placed with efficiency. Why? Because maybe Eldar ARE FORCED TO FUCKING BACKDOOR AS THEY CANNOT FRONT FIGHT. It means split group for multiple direction offensive, it also mean, as much people off the fight but still in the fight as they have to channel but cannot under cover (the range of protect is complete shit). It's grouping strat, going at the complete OPPOSITE of what eldar are supposed to do (mobility strat). A single grenade/aoe (plasma shot has the same aoe range than protect, how useful, warlock down and the rest is stunned)/grouping shot on warlock/Sky diving JPA, break the formation aaaaand we are back to start.

    You try to justify your advantage by "muh eldar can do complete strat and assault formation", while all of this get easily counter since our tools are wrongly build for how eldar are supposed to play.
    You want the 15% sprint speed bonus. No fucking problem, take it on your LSM (with the EHP nerf coming with it) and Eldar take back their old EHP ratio. You'll see thing differently.

    5. For all the GvG I've done and do, actually I do =)
    And it's not hard to understand as every nerf/buff coincide with LSM complaining ticket.
    Why LSM? Simple example about Roadkill, major part of CSM and Ork players realize/know that Eldar are based on mobility soooooooooooooooo they know vehicle are deadly since they have Anti Grav mobility sooooooooooooooooooo they are careful when they are in the clear or use alternative way and they don't whine about it.
    (the great majority of the map protect spawns as they are in non vehicle area and there are always alternative way to get somewhere while limiting being in the clear.)

    I've rolled over so much people with my Trukk, I'm still impressed we don't have a "Trukk are too fast, they roll over me" post.
    The problem is not about the fact a vehicle can roll over someone, it's about people who don't to be aware of their surrounding (though a bit more of motor noise would help, even War Trukk with their big ass motor are silent as fuck) then whine about it.

    Edit: 5. I forgot, also LSM/CSM/Ork Guild (true one, not pugs assembly) don't complain about Eldar Vehicle, because they know how to deal with it. And yet, a nerf came to Eldar vehicle and more are probably to come.
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  4. SakitPerut Steam Early Access

    You don't really cast Enhance on everyone at once everytime, and recasting a second one if you miss a few people takes a whole 100 charge off. Unless your team is neatly and tidily group up together everytime you want to cast it, and even then it's also easy for an Apothecary to group buff in that situation.
    Also it only takes 0.5 seconds to apply vials to others.
  5. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    2 sec per buff ? 10 sec buff 5 people ? So 5 casts ? 50 charges each ? 250 in total ? See the problem ?
    This topic seems interesting so i am bringing my ass , who said warlock better than apothecary ???
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  6. Drake De Molina Drake_De_Molina Steam Early Access

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  7. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    n fact about our cast : it make us walk at devastator speed so if we cast when people are runing you wont be able to buff them and you wasted half your charges
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  8. Xio Valency Xi0 Preacher

    Was that a change recently? it always dispelled when I went down every since I got the game, if that changed recently then I guess I finally don't have spam heal to catch the downers anymore.
  9. Slird Slird Active Member

    I don't know anything about shit, you right. But we don't talking about it. Shit is not so funny. =)
    I don't need to talk for other people. It is not the point.
    And I never said that you said. I said it is much harder than apply enhance.
    I really don't understand what you mean in last part of this quote.
    Eldar mentally dedicated to their path via their physiology. This is all. In other hand you still have guardian armed with aspect weaponry. They live their lives and leave their shrines regularly. Only exarchs full dedicated to warpath. Like marines, who don't have any civil aspects in their lives and move from one battle to other. What you mean about scouts?
    Actually i would be pleasant if psykers go to elite section. And you already have desruptor-thing for your little Palapatines. =) It is sarcasm, because right now we have great lack of support units in game. All warlock going force'n'heal. All of them want do what others do - killing people. It is "real reason" to blaming apothecaries.
    ELDAR CAN FRONT FIGHT. Are you see this? Any faction going to split groups and backdoor. It is common tactics. Eldar just do it faster. Mobility is not equal solo, so you still move in simple formations. If you still think about protect as moving cover - you totally fail to understand how to use it. Yes, if you will use it in your manner - it will failure all the time.
    No, i want 30% run speed! %) You also have enhance to compensate this nerf, iirc. IMHO, it is not totally bad mechanics, but need some clarifying.
    I really don't know anything about GvG you was done. It was my opinion based on your word about game mechanics. If you don't understand it - you rarely can do it well.
    LSM just have bigger part of community. And most of people don't want to talk about it in any case. Part of them just read this forum-tales with smile.
    You are incorrect about roadkill. Eldar was massively blamed for it from all factions. Even your own people was not happy.
    The problem is not about the fact a vehicle can roll over someone, it's about haw easy it can be.
    War Trukk doesn't have this issue because it is not so easy and effective. And it is obvious.
    RLy? =)

    You have special vials? In my version of game vials and eldar spells have equal cast time. And i never run out of charge via buffing people. It is PUGs, so they rarely stop for waiting me. What i do wrong?
    In "this situation" apothacary still need more time. I don't told "it impossible".

    I said it. =) Welcome!
    I see your problem: you can't hit more than one man per one cast.
    I play Eldar as my second because if interesting mechanics. If buff people with enhance or heal\rice people with embolden to hard for you - just forget about vials existnce.
    Actually, I can buff people with both tools, but eldar have much more handle instruments for it.
    Especially in pugs, because you can't bring people to you.
  10. Yvelfir Yvelfir Arkhona Vanguard

    @Xi0 is right, Embolden ends when you're downed, just like all other HoT's and buffs, Warlocks and Sorcerers don't get to play the zombie game. The only thing that doesn't end when downed are the healing stations placed by Apothecaries and Painboys.
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