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How I know Eldar speed is non existent.

Discussion in 'Eldar' started by G0dlyN00b, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. Slird Slird Active Member

    I never said that warlocks too good. I mean Eldar need best support and they have it. It is normal.
    All Eldar can take support from warlocks. I don't taking into account a speed in most cases. Actually, DR still fastest heavy. The first suppresses.
    Not speed, but hitbox. Speed is good against not-hitscan weapons (plasma, rokkits). Eldar don't have effective long-range small arms, but others small arms have less effectiveness against Eldar at long ranges.
  2. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    wow still talking about warlock at page 11?
    what did i missed?
  3. Very true but all small arms are bad at long range what ever the faction, also modded small arms of other factions out perform Eldar modded small arms.
    Heavy bolters out performs Shuriken Cannon and reaper launcher is half a weapon where only one mode is viable.
  4. Slird Slird Active Member

    It is not truth. Actually Eldar have most powerful weapon, but less ehp (real reason).
    With any of Eldar buff they outperform any enemy. It can be countered but Eldar still have one more buff.
    Orks have no effective buff support, but still most tough enemy for all.
    CSM have MoN and 20% damage mitigation buff (Flesh Circle).
    LSM have less toughness and 30% damage mitigation buff (Survival Vial)
    Eldar most squishy but have 20% damage buff (enhance) and 20%(enhance)+50%(protect) damage mitigation buff.
    All faction have near equal heal and debuff(except orks).
  5. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    nobody uses protect sorry ...
    With any of Eldar buff they outperform any enemy : like really ? so with your dire avenger enhanced you can kill easily an ork shoota using a bigshoota ?
  6. I should of put a coma after "very true" as I was agreeing with your comment that I replied to. Then I went on about how all small arms are bad at long range.
  7. What is the weapon that is the most powerful in game that the Eldar have?
  8. CSM
    What about mitigation from 160 toughness (common 1000lp loadout - boltgun CQB grip, daemon armor, MoN, ammo pack, grenade)? Its passive, you dont need warlock with protect. Add to it insane healrate and mentionet 20% resist.
    LSM
    have less toughness but more armor - its their thing since release. So tougness difference is covered by additional armor from wargear. 30% from is hard to use but in most time you dont need it at all.
    Orks
    Even more toughness and HP. They are hard to kill anyway.

    And now eldar.
    They usually go with 225-245 EHP total against 360-380-400EHP. They also need two persons on passive non-combatant support roles to put in line ONE dire avenger against 2 tacticals and warlock/apo. I cant see OP eldar here.

    Tempest probably. Its only weapon you can use well against Apo spam or swarmed enemies in a room where any shuriken variants sucks.

    Reaper launchers is too bulky. You cant use it in close range against infantry anymore.
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  9. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    Roadkill ... like really... that's our best weapon x)
  10. Slird Slird Active Member

    CSM use their FC (20% damage mitigation).
    Nobody can "easely kill" big shoota. You know why :rolleyes: ("supress", if you don't)
    I suppose we talking about small arms? Avengers Shuriken Catapult does more damage than Boltgun at any ranges. You need extended barrel for boltgun to outperform this at long ranges.

    "Insane heal rate" is equal to any other AOE heal rate. DA under protect and embolden heal buff is better. DA with enhance still better then any CSM traitor loadout without buff. You can calculate this. 160t is 27% damage mitigation.
    If tactical not buffed you easely kill it with any buffed DA. Any buff.
    And you still can kill it with any Eldar buff. But Big Shoota... ^_^
    - Actually, default (stock, rank 1) DA ehp w/o toughness is 255, but even my 295 ehp (w/o toughness) is not much.
    - Actually in proposed proportions it is true, but you don't playing 3vs3.
    - Actually I didn't said it is OP.
    - Actually, all fights against Eldar have higher lethality then any others fights because of their higher DPS and shorter TTK.
    Again, Eldar have more stats in their buffs, then others. But you ignore part of them. And ignore all of them in PUGs.
    Where is any shuriken variants sucks? =)
    It was better in past?

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