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Discussion in 'Chaos Space Marines' started by Crypto, Jun 26, 2014.

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Kythus the blooded Kythus-the-Blooded Cipher

still kinda looks space marineish to me but good work so fare id like to see something like this as end result.

Kythus-the-Blooded, Jun 28, 2014

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DreadForce83 DreadForce83 Well-Known Member

Chill guys, it'll be okay.

EDIT: Found this little interesting real life Wh40k example.

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DreadForce83, Jun 28, 2014

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Snowsight515 Snowsight515 Member

Basic look is fine. I just can't wait for all that customization that I can practically guarantee is coming.

This is an MMO people. If you can't make your character your own in some way, it's doing something wrong. Any idiot knows that.

Snowsight515, Jun 28, 2014

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Adam Birch Justicar Curator

Not a fan of those horns. Not even a little.
Everything else is pretty good.

Justicar, Jul 4, 2014

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SonOfLorgar SonOfLorgar Well-Known Member

Yeah it's bad but it's too soon to judge , this is nowhere near the final product so , np. I bet the finals will be great.

SonOfLorgar, Jul 4, 2014

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DjemoSRB Djemo-SRB Preacher

As it is now, the models are confirmed for placeholders (as any such models usually are this early).
From what Ghislain said the final product will be looking more akin to this:

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MumYPtiRaw

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Djemo-SRB, Jul 4, 2014

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Vox de Vacuo Vox-de-Vacuo Active Member

Hoorrah, I've seen Ghislain Barbe watching this thread, we are heard, brothers! I hope our voices will convince bE to pay more attention to proportions and details of CSM.

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Vox-de-Vacuo, Jul 5, 2014

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Ghislain Barbe Ghislain_Barbe Art Director

Hello!

A few word on the Chaos model you can see in the turnaround, but before, I'll quote myself from another post - which was on the space marine model - but most all that's been said there is still relevant here as both Legions and Chapters share the same basic power armour chassis when they start (sorry for those who already read it. You may want ot skip directly to the bottom of the quote. Reading it one time is ok, but i guess two times can be quite boring...

So first and foremost: Thanks to all for the feedback! I am super thrilled to see the amount of people who reacted, and furthermore, the amount of people who liked the model of the basic power armour as it stands presently. Although the title of the thread starts with MAJOR ISSUES, which sounds very dramatic and could have been interpreted as negative or pejorative, most comments found herein are very constructive and often positive.

Would I have liked that everybody saw the Marine model as the perfect transposition of the miniature toward a given depiction of reality? Yes. But that is never going to happen. We all translate the miniatures into a very personal vision.

Yet, this thread is fantastic to give us the pulse on how the community pictures how a space marine should look like in a MMO type setting. If statistically a lot of people have issues with a given point of what we presented, while it does not mean that we won't say "Yes, but that's really how we think it should be", it does not mean either that we won't go ask ourself "Are we wrong on that one?", so rest assured we hear you all, and we want to make you justice and we want you to like the game and everything that's in it. Unfortunately, the terrible thing on this matter is that we will never be able to please everyone, but we will aim at doing so while staying very aware that when you aim too wide you end up not hitting anyone, so there will be choices that some people won't agree with and I sincerly apologise to them for it, knowing (and sharing) their passion for the Warhammer 40, 000 universe.

Now, what are those videos of turnarounds of characters?
A first public showcase of the basic models we will be using in the game. Up til now, and in the in-game footage you may have seen, we were using temporary models built around a temporary rig using temporary animations. Any new footage you may see for still at least a month will still be using those. Those models helped us narrow our gameplay and identify the many problems we might have animating our characters. Bulky characters like Adeptus Astartes with bulky armour plates on them can have a lot problems of geometries interpenetrations as they move around. And do they move! They don't just walk, run or shoot but must be able to have loads of different and sometimes very extreme behaviours fro such heavy guys. And you can see them from all angles!
Throughout our tests, back pack, jump pack and shoulder pads were major challenges. So after much discussion with the animation team, I doodled revised proportions for the power armour which took those constraint into account, we built low poly temp geoemetries, tested them, saw other problems; I redoodled up to the point where we arrived to the line art that has been reproduced several times on this thread (the one where we see the amour and the naked adeptus astartes - Yes, I am glad people generally have positive comments on it). From this model sheet our 3D artist reworked the geometry to achieve the model you now see. And although the camera from the clip might have lead some to believe it was not following the concept, it really does. But the camera is another matter, another one we are still working on...

So, what is this model?
The first step toward the final model. Will the model as you see it now be the one that will be in the game in 18 months? No. Will it look roughly like it? Yes, but better.
Given the fact that we want to offer you as much customisation opportunities as possible, we made it very modular (over 50 separate pieces for a basic naked power armour). Rest assured you will not be exposed to having to build it yourself with that level of granularity, but your experience will be built on it.
Why do I tell you that? So that you understand that we can better any piece of the armour without breaking the whole, which, both from a production and follow up standpoint, is fantastic. We recently mocaped all the basic animations of the space marines. They are presently being cleaned up. Once we see how the character reacts to the animations, we will go thru a process of either modifying certain animations or certain geometries so that the final result is top notch. There will be lots of debates between art and animation to decide what will be better for what, all with the goal of making our character the most convincing he can be.

Why am i saying all this?
To give you a status of where we're at with our characters and where we're going. At this point, we are quite happy with our character; to the point where we decided that A)we could use him as template for the mocap and animation integration and furthermore, B) furthermore, we could show him to you to get feedback.
The next step will be A) to see him move in game and pinpoint all that's not up to our expectations and plan the necessary tweaks and B) at the same time, to go thru all the feedback you've given us in a very systematic manner and see a) what is relevant to the direction we're heading to, b) what is artistically and technically feasible and c)will work with our animation constraints. From there, an action list will be made of the changed to be implemented. As we built modular, we will be able to adress most issues separately and surgically so that it does not impair the production of the rest of the game. Waht this says is that there will not be a big reveal of the revised model: From now on, it is going to be a seamless process of iterations and improvements that will go on so that everytime new ingame shootage will be released, little somethings will have changed, hopefully for the best

Up til now i've only been talking about the geometry of the character. You also may have noticed that the he looks somewhat blank right now. It's not because of the ceramite. It is not textured and it has no customisation items on it whatsoever, not a single little Imperialis on the torso or a chapter badge on the shoulder, nothing, so he's very far from what you can expect will appear in your game. A lot of texture work is being done presently but a lot of research on our shader and lighting pipeline as well, here too, the process will be iterative. But giant leaps are to be expected.
Regarding the backpack, as it is one of the issues that has been discussing at lenght on this thread, the one that is on the model presently is at the same height as it is on the model sheet concept. Given the angle of the camera, I agree it does seems lower and does not convey that Space Marine feel we expect. This is one of the thing we still have to play with. But although it seems straightforward, it's really a tricky matter. Remember that when you will be playing, most of the time you will be seeing your character from the back, possibly with the camera looking slightly down on him. Initially we had the backpack placed exactly like on the miniature (and bigger) but it was very boring as all that we were seeing was that huge backpack - or worse, that humougous jump pack- with two tiny legs. So we've played with its placement and size ratio and will probably will be playing with it for still a while. It's a very delicate thing, as looking at your character in a full frontal way in your customisation screen and with the game camera are two totally different experiences.

I look forward to showing you (and seeing for myself) the animated version of the marine. It's the next step of the adventure. Thanks for your support and comments!We see those models all day long, you have the fresh eyes. Keep feeding us!
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So it's totally not the final model Chaos Space Marine, it's even more true than it was for the Space Marine one. The proportions you see are the good ones, so are the pieces shared between the basic SM and CSM armours, but pieces like the legs, shoulders and forearms which are emblematic to the CSA were taken from the TEMP model you can see in the in-game footage. Alexandre Robert, one of the team's 3D artist and great guy, is presently working on the new versions along with other pieces we want for the CSM's basic configuration.

Speaking of basic configuration- this is something else I said a while ago so bear with me - due to the chaotic nature of the renegade legions, there is not limit to the coolness, distorsions and whatnot which can be inflicted to the CSM's armour, but, as we are heavily based on customisation, in its basic default incarnation, i.e. when you see him for the first time in your customisation UI, he will look quite mundane, with a minimum of chaos-related modifications, looking much like the basic miniature, but most likely without the horns. Wait! Dont leave! Several sets of horns will be available to you (the ones we have on the turnaround are the ones from the TEMP model BTW) , as other stuff like helmet spikes or topknot, but it will be for you to decide what you want. So you wont start looking like a Chosen or whatnot, but will be able to make your way toward it or another path through customisation and experience. We're not selling miniatures, but we base ourselves on them. We dont want to force one on you but are instead trying to give your the opportunity to build the one you prefer... well, up to a point

So i hope that helped you see where we're at now. Thank you for your passion, that's what fuels us. We'll keep you posted. Keep the feedback flowing!

Cheers!

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Ghislain_Barbe, Jul 5, 2014

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DjemoSRB Djemo-SRB Preacher

Ghislain_Barbe said: ↑

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Thanks for the new info, im just hoping that this visual progression (from the starting basic miniature-like amount of customization to the chosen and the like) is actually gonna be unlocked partly through ranking up a class and progressing it, rather than selling every helmet, chestpiece and shoulderpad in the cashshop.

Dont get me wrong, some of it surely needs to be in the shop (you guys gotta keep getting cash from something i guess) but there still needs to be an adequate amount of cosmetics available through sheer progression rather than your wallet. Unless we wanna convey the message to everyone joining us post launch that you cannot look badass without coughing up tons and tons of money.

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Djemo-SRB, Jul 5, 2014

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Ghislain Barbe Ghislain_Barbe Art Director

I did say thru experience
Yes, we are going to sell stuff, of course, but there will also be a definite viusal armour progression thru experience... i date not go too in-depth on the matter though as we are still developing that point and Brent or Michael would be much better at explaining where we're heading than me.

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Ghislain_Barbe, Jul 5, 2014

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