And as I said, Eldar don't fall under this concept much at all. Fire Dragons are probably one of our only specialist classes right now. Dire Avengers lose to tacticals in close quarters and Reapers are really bad at long range engagements.

This may be their concept, but it doesn't apply. Eldar have been morphed into a Glass/Hit&Run/Close Range/Gimmick faction...

That would only screw over the eldar faction though. Eldar need to be able to destroy vehicles reliably and quickyly or they get over run too fast.

Can I just say that compared to his light contempories the FD is nothing special, and rokkit ork is still my best class in game (even post nerf).

Compared to the heavies they all trade range and staying power for melee capabilities. Also still asking for pistols on heavies. So I agree something is ridiculous, but it's not what the FD has, it's what lascannon/zzap deffgun is lacking.

@Thana I am away right now but when I return I will post some cooldown times.

From just a common sense point of view. Why wouldn't a close range, anti-vehicle unit be at least decent at close range, melee engagements? It isn't like he is carrying a ranged weapon so heavy it takes both hands of a superhuman to wield....

Seriously, think about it for a minute.
FD's are annoying as hell. Sure, but they aren't OP. The only thing I have issue with about them is they are the only AV preset in the game. Everyone else has to sacrifice a loadout to have an AV unit. I guess it counts for asymmetrical balance. I don't have to like it, though.

The point he's making is that the meltagun and melta bomb are only accessible in a custom loadout for LSM and CSM, whereas eldar have a free preset.

I would be ok with nerfing or changing melta bombs, like making them fizzle instead of exploding when you shoot at them, but only if you buff the melaguns/fusionguns too. Right now they are piss poor against infantry and take several full overheats to down a vehicle. I would say that it's melta bombs that are the real killers of vehicles right now, meltas just help finish it up if it's super low.

Imo, meltas should be like how swooping hawk's rifles are to tacticals' rifles. Less effective but not tremeundously so. If you do this, I think you can justify its low vehicle damage.

And the fusion pistol... Good heebus bajeebus it's bad. Can't even kill a downed player with a full overheat, and does an almost unnoticeable sliver of vehicle damage. But I think this is more for the pistols thread.

edit: good god spelling and grammer. My phone doesn't know fucking english and is auto-correcting everything into gibberish.

the change to the meltabomb would also be applied to the other equivalents, of course

I also don't see how that statement applies to eldar more than the other races, who manage to do that job with their melta loadout anyway, so by making the eldar that less rapid at blowing vehicles we can be sure it will not become an impossible job.

Ummm....melta bomb bundles? The melta bomb is the only reliable AV eldar have. Fusion guns take too long and reaper launchers are too niche. By nerfing basically melta bomb bundle you make it a worthless loadout option. Since the bundle is the eldars best AV and no one else has or uses bundles then it is just a direct nerf to eldar that doesnt affect the other three.

Hardly it takes both those melta bombs to kill a tank and anyone who gets on the fire dragon will kill them if they just aim the fusion guns range is really poor. You take away any of the current fire dragons kit and you make them useless. Crying for a nerf is wrong and if you can't learn to fight a fire dragon with anything ranged well...

I feel dumber for having read this thread truly. If a class is good against vehicles it must be crap against everything else ..... so by the same logic lets nerf power fists, lascannons and melta bombs then as they all do large damage to vehicles and insta kill infantry aswell.

If there is one person with half a brain defending that rhino a fire dragon with base armor (as with the x2 meltas doesn't have enough load out to take the heavy armor) they can down you in 3 head shoots with a boltgun.