Considering women can't escape the draft, pretty sure 40k is better when it comes to equal rights (of suffering). The Sisters of Battle get access to wargear the Imperial Guard can only dream of and even have a seat in the High Lord Council. The Inquisition is never expected doesn't care about gender and so on. EDIT: The whole SJW/pseudo-feminist/etc bullshit targeting one faction of 16, conveniently ignoring the other 13 and a half armies that do feature both genders, is nothing but a joke and should be treated as one.
Whats that have to do with female astartes? I highly doubt there is a group of people in the 41st millennium protesting for gender rights in astartes. But in 2016, where no one has a back bone, everything has to be 100% equal or else some twit will get offended. Seeing as the Emperor created the astartes, and not the inquisition, i dont really think it matters what the IG have. The emperors vision was obviously for astartes to be male. Dont forget he also allowed the sisters of silence......but wait...WHY ARE THERE NO MALE SISTERS OF SILENCE!!!!!!!!!
Because when a man is silent, it's not notable enough to name an entire army for it. Sexist jokes aside, the fact that the astartes (flagship product) are all male discourages some female players. Something you should be sad about, because it diminishes your chance of finding a lady friend who enjoys your interests. Unless you're gay, then you're probably very happy about an army of large men.
Believe it or not but I agree entirely with this statement, and wished that people would just get this into their heads at long last. I was also willing to let this die thanks to life taking time away from the computer for quite a while. Still, if people insist upon arguing this point to death - even those who seem to miss that we agree upon the same thing ultimately - let's go. But you have seen it many times over, with the bodies and builds of astartes being remarkably different from humans. In the novels, they are constantly described as "barrel chested" or overdeveloped, and often described as being a step away from being human. We have seen this many times over, but the Ultramarines series in particular brought up this fact several times during Warriors of Ultramar, especially in regards to human troops. What's more, artwork has time and time again shown them to have proportions and physical attributes which by rights would not match up with any normal person of any normal build. Here's one such classic example: Here's also a few fan examples to back this up, from those who have used the general stats and details of the game to examine how they would fare in terms of stature: While the latter who might be fan examples, the result is the same every time: the shoulders are massively exaggerated and the waistline extended to match the armour's build. Remarkably, we have seen surprisingly little variation on this in terms of overall artwork, and this aspect remains consistent. So, while the organ might not specifically note this exact point, there is a definite reshaping which would take place to match up with just about every descriptive aspect from novels and artwork we have seen over the years. Even this aside though, the opening post did note that there would be minor differences in terms of physical build. Emphasis upon the MINOR more than anything else once the overall process was completed. The female skeleton is not some utterly alien thing to a male one which doesn't match up with it in any way, and combined with the muscular enhancements there is nothing to support the idea that a generically comparable female who underwent the process would look any different from a normal astartes save for a handful of minor aspects. Plus, if we're going to go that far and argue against physical builds entirely, we'd reach the uncomfortable point of arguing against Asian astartes thanks to the stereotype of being shorter than western nations, and the White Scars (among others) disprove that particular point entirely. Looking at this and later points you seem utterly obsessed that female astartes would require massive injections over and over again to boost their physical build in any way, in spite of prior posts. There are body builders who can achieve a more androgynous build without needing injections and a quick google search proves that time and time again. In fact, standard dieting and the right exercise can achieve fitness without resulting in the typical hourglass shape which is often presented with females. A few such examples can be found here (and I apologise for having to use a Daily Mail article, but it was the one with the most images supporting this point) and quite a few books on the subject. Body Matters: Essays On The Sociology Of The Body goes into some of the history along with the ideological and psychological meaning behind female body building during one section, and also the history behind it, noting at several points that androgynous builds could be accomplished without the need for the drug or injections. What's more, let's say you're right for a moment. Then, what about all the typical examples of combat enhancements among chapters which lack any long term negative effects? It is constantly noted that astartes are near constantly flooded with combat drugs within their armour and during times of combat. These range from painkillers to even commonplace market variants, and more than a few novels keep bringing up this point during certain details or scenes. Even beyond Black Library there are plenty of other examples. The Inquisitor and Imperial Armour rulebooks, for example, notes that Slaught was used among the Flesh Tearers and pre-heresy World Eaters legions, with no long term effects as a result. As such, we can accurately deduce that an astartes physiology can shrug off the long term damage of drugs which can briefly overcome their resistance to toxicity, even those like Slaught which are noted to ruin users after several years. It's reasonable to assume that substitutes to growth hormones or enhancements could have the same result during the implantation process. Plus, if we're going to go this far into biology we might as well get onto the point of how space marines should be constantly breaking their own ankles under their own weight. That and how the actual process and organs stand a better chance of killing a marine than turning him into a super soldier once you get down to the biological details. Then kindly stay on point please. I'm sorry, but time and time again I look into this and it seems more like you're trying to boast about your own personal knowledge, accomplishments or relationship with writers than sticking to the damn argument - especially the point below where you veer off needlessly about the entire history of the damn game for a small essay. That isn''t supposed to be insulting, as I usually do value your knowledge, but it is becoming irritating to read some of your posts here. Unsound until you consider the wider implications and details found in the lore. The Emperor himself is presented time and time again as humanity's greatest psyker, so much so that he can assist in guiding ships through the Warp even as little more than a decayed husk. We have seen him mentally force his way through barriers which should have stopped all psykers in the Horus Heresy series, penetrate the minds of primarchs during telepathic conversations, and even drop the equivalent of a nuclear bomb via sheer psychic willpower. It is hardly beyond question that he would stand a chance of pulling off such an achievement if push came to shove, and this is even supported by notes on Molech. At least three primarchs and a sizable number of each legion visited the world, and despite physically standing upon its ground and with a multitude learning of the Emperor's secret, each had his memories re-written by the Emperor with apparently little consequence. Given how spread out and diverse the legions are, often isolated form one another for years at a time, it is also hardly without question that he might pick them out one or a few at a time, working in quick succession rather than a single mass action. Also, given the suggestion that this is being built upon, I can't see why Malcador would need to have his memories replaced opposed to just having him lie to people. That or actively assisting in spreading the lie. The reason why he might allow them to actually remember anything at all comes down to the fact that humans are curious, and if you allow them to catch onto a single memorable point or aspect, that tends to draw up or link into certain trace memories. That can lead to them trying to piece a puzzle together and understand exactly what took place, and uncovering a lie. As such, it's far more safer in to re-write or replace certain memories, smoothing over events and implanting new suggestions to throw people off from this, or altering their general behaviour as a result. Inception dabbled in this a little, but personally I would recommend looking into the Star Trek episode Clues for when this works, and Conundrum where this is ineffective thanks to simply wiping the minds of the crew and trying to use logs to manipulate them. Re-writing minds to establish that they existed but were killed off in one way or another helps work around a number of difficulties. For starters, it turns it into a dark event few primarchs want to actively remember and would not wish to fully investigate. It also develops into a taboo and justifies any reasoning for purging any details of them from archives, history or their very names. It also helps buff up certain details to keep the legions in line or possibly fear the Space Wolf executioners (assuming that particular story was even true) and serves as a warning for future forces. As such, it would allow the legions to fade into history and act without interruption or risk of being disturbed while benefiting the Emperor's overall vision and disciplining his forces. Removing any distinct facts or replacing them entirely with new details also helps establish the aforementioned memory block, as without it there's risk of them recalling those older ideas. After all, each legion and primarch is very distinct and wildly different from one another. If the Emperor removed all knowledge of the Blood Angels and erased their records, but forgot to alter memories of their leader having wings, you'd end up with this situation: "Wait, didn't one of us used to be able to fly?" "You're sure?" "Yeah, wings, white feathers all that." "... Now you mention it, that does sound familiar actually..." Replacing it with a more generic version would avoid any issues entirely, and what's more there's actually some established proof of this in the canon. Note that nothing of distinction is ever mentioned of any legion by anyone. Their way of war, their primarchs' basic features, their home, their history, even their colours are never brought up at all, nor is their culture. It's almost as if the Imperial forces themselves had been mentally re-written to forget about them in all but a distant inaccurate memory, ignoring anything involving them beyond what someone wished for them to remember. Well, that and Games Workshop wanted players to shape them for themselves, but that's exactly what's being done here. As for Horus, consider how influenced he was by Chaos at that point. He was a far cry from the primarch he had been before, both in terms of mentality and how he approached certain subjects. It's hardly beyond question that corruption might have reshaped his mind or even that Chaos itself directly told him, the gods prodding him in the right direction. The Emperor always did have an unfortunate blind spot when it came to the Ruinous Powers and how they might affect his primarchs, after all. ... Right, just to be clear, you did just argue that it's easier to turn a fetus into a werewolf than it is a female. You are aware of that, right? Anyway, just to counter that first point, what you're suggesting is basically treating genetics like lego bricks, smashing them together until getting a single end result. Problem is, it doesn't quite work like that, even accepting the junk DNA and recessive genes, it wouldn't immediately give the guy a wolf's senses or fangs, and would more likely run the risk of killing him. While you can certainly work with this on a chemical level, it is more uncontrolled and oddly random, and the results have to be carefully cultivated to eventually work. Even then the results aren't quite so drastic or perfect as pointed out with Russ or even Sanguinus, as they would be more subtly woven into their genetics and less superhero-esque. For example, it's possible to give a jellyfish's bio-luminescence to another creature, thanks to picking out the right proteins and inserting them into the DNA, but you couldn't make a man with giant stingers made of jelly and not have him end up screaming for death. Equally, if you were to focus specifically upon the chromosones in this instant, you would run into the problem of basically needing to strip them out and effectively start over to incorporate another species entirely. The reason we overlook that is because people want to see werewolves in power armour and logic is bent to accept that, the same as with most science fiction works. As for creating a female from male DNA, well, here's an intelligent scientific answer when it comes to the subject of opposite gender clones which does also count here given the Emperor's own genetics were used as a basis: "A normal male has two sex chromosomes, an X from his mother and a Y from his father; a normal female has two X chromosomes, one from each parent. You can create a female version of a man by replacing the Y chromosome with a second copy of the existing X chromosome. However, note that the resulting woman could not be his genetic "sister", since the woman has no X component from the original man's (and, I suppose, her) father, which his sisters would inherit. In other words, the resulting woman cannot be the biological child of the original man's parents. The reverse direction doesn't work at all. If you were to create male version of a particular female individual, you would need to obtain a Y chromosome and its associated DNA, which is missing from the original woman's genome. A reasonable source would be the woman's father. Although the result would be, essentially, the male version of the woman, you are still introducing a small amount of new genetic material. Also, by replacing an X with a Y chromosome, you may express phenotypes from the remaining maternal X chromosome that were previously overridden or influenced by the paternal X. For instance, the genes for red and green color receptors in the eye are located on the X chromosomes. If the woman originally inherited faulty color genes from her mother but normal ones from her father, she would have normal color vision. However, by replacing the paternal X with a Y, which has no genes for color receptors, the resulting male "semi-clone" would be red-green colorblind." Oh, and finally, here's a quick list of this sort of thing being done in other works across all sorts of fiction. So even if you disagree with the science, there's always the established science fiction ideas that 40k are so fond of working with. No, I was arguing that they made them forget distinct elements of their existence so they would not be remembered. In this case, if one were female, the same as how he might remove memories of one having angel wings, being an albino, having a relentless blood rage, the ability to see into the far future or being a giant red man who can fist-fight titans. Read the full response above.
